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"Cotton scared me - I left him alone." - B4MSU (Bear Nation poster) in reference to heckling players
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Originally posted by The Mad Hatter View PostI think he was starting to develop a thought, but never got around to it. The potential application that I see is that for conference realignment our best fit might be with a set of private schools, but that there is potential that such private schools would prefer an all-private league (as the new big east did).ShockerNet is a rat infested cess pool.
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I think he was developing this thought: WSU is looking more like a private school, meaning self-supporting, and not relying on football kickbacks, (KU, KSU), nor state funding, (MSU, ISUr, ISUb, UNI, etc.) We are moving toward financial independence, which allows us to compete in ways the other conference schools cannot. Lest we forget, when conference realignment was super hot several years ago, no one cared about KU basketball history, and KSU is only relevant to the degree that Snyder is there. (The previous
sentence may have been unnecessary, no matter how accurate lol)
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Originally posted by mattdalt View PostI think he was developing this thought: WSU is looking more like a private school, meaning self-supporting, and not relying on football kickbacks, (KU, KSU), nor state funding, (MSU, ISUr, ISUb, UNI, etc.) We are moving toward financial independence, which allows us to compete in ways the other conference schools cannot. Lest we forget, when conference realignment was super hot several years ago, no one cared about KU basketball history, and KSU is only relevant to the degree that Snyder is there. (The previous
sentence may have been unnecessary, no matter how accurate lol)ShockerNet is a rat infested cess pool.
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Yeah, not sure where Sully was going with that. Perhaps he was trying to make the point that many of the MVC's public institutions receive quite a bit of public funding for their athletic programs? I don't know if that's really the case, just throwing ideas out there.
If that's his point, it brings up an interesting observation about the Big East. I don't believe its current make up is sustainable, with membership of only non-football private institutions. If the league would be interested in the future of adding public institutions, it may look for publics that are not heavily supported with public funding. I am of course, not advocating joining the BE, it's just an observation and wild speculation about Sully's point."It's amazing to watch Ron slide into that open area, Fred will find him and it's straight cash homie."--HCGM
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Originally posted by Downtown Shocker Brown View Post
The point, obviously, is that there's more to success than just spending, which we see in all sports (e.g., major league baseball and the teams who have been most successful in postseason play recently). WSU has found a coach who can give them an elite-level basketball program while spending at a good but not elite level, and a level that can be sustained and even grown without either state funding or Power Five football money.
Edit: I just read PaulS's post and was equally as mystified as anyone else here about the reference to private schools and how that's part of the problem (what problem?) for WSU. So it would help if he'd clarify. But the real key for WSU is that the Shockers have the money to do what it takes to keep up with the power conferences, and that isn't necessarily true of everyone in the Valley, state or private. And their basketball commitment and success are a big part of why that's the case.Last edited by WSUwatcher; November 4, 2014, 05:10 PM.
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Originally posted by Downtown Shocker Brown View PostWhat happens to the college sports landscape when Football is taken out of the picture?
I know that won't happen, and it gets discussed way too much anyway. I just hope this whole thing doesn't destroy college athletics for anyone not part of the "in-crowd." What an incredibly sad thing that will be...even if WSU finds a way to stay relevant (and we will), it would bother me to see other colleges wither.
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Originally posted by Downtown Shocker Brown View PostWhat happens to the college sports landscape when Football is taken out of the picture?
I'm not an AD, so maybe I don't know enough to be scared the way some of them apparently are. But I'm also not convinced that a basketball championship for the power conferences only would be an attraction that could dwarf a championship of only the remaining leagues and teams, because there are too many power conference teams that are bad in basketball and probably always will be, just as there are too many teams from other leagues who are really good in basketball and really entertaining besides. And in either case, neither of the two tournaments that would result from splitting basketball would hold a candle to the one that exists now with all the conferences in it together.
A power conference-only basketball tournament would be an inferior product vs. what exists at present, and it's hard to believe any advertiser or marketing person would doubt that. If so, then why should anyone be afraid that the power conferences would take their basketball and leave -- to do what: put out an inferior product? At the card table, that's what is known as bluffing.
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Originally posted by WSUwatcher View PostA power conference-only basketball tournament would be an inferior product vs. what exists at present, and it's hard to believe any advertiser or marketing person would doubt that. If so, then why should anyone be afraid that the power conferences would take their basketball and leave -- to do what: put out an inferior product? At the card table, that's what is known as bluffing.
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Not quite sure where to put this, so I will put it here.
The best line from this (and the whole reason I'm posting this):
Yes, I’m including the American and the Big East as power conferences. They’re both a step down from the real Power 5 and should probably be part of an “upper mid-major” category with the A-10, Mountain West, West Coast Conference, and Missouri Valley.Last edited by TheDover1018; November 7, 2014, 09:44 AM.
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Some more gems: "It’s easy to think that Gregg Marshall, Shaka Smart, or Brad Stevens would have done more with Doug McDermott. "
"Grant Gibbs was so old that I’m pretty sure his medical redshirt year was due to gout. "
"Ethan Wragge played like he was wearing an electro-shock collar that buzzed him anytime he got within 30 feet of either rim "
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Originally posted by DJ06Shocker View PostThis is all true, but then my mind immediately wonders if this argument is part of why they want 15 scholarships. They might want to take their basketball and leave, and at the same time, improve their product by hoarding more of the talent so the competitive level starts dwarfing the leftover conferences."The more difficult the victory, the greater the happiness in winning."
-- Pele
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