2016-17 Bracketology

[T.VuOP]

One positive thing about all this bubble talk, we sure get talked about in the media a ton. Would I prefer to be Cincy, VCU, Dayton, etc., yes, but those teams get almost no pub. We have new articles written about us almost on the daily.

Because we are in a special situation: good team with bad resume. If we lose in St. Louis, I'm afraid the Committee would leave us out to send a message: schedule better, play good teams

[12eagle]

WSU and Gonzaga have a week off before the NCAA tourney. Maybe WSU should give them a buzz and see if they wanna play?????? :)

Always thought this could benefit teams like Wsu. This year play St Mary's on the Thursday after the MVC and it would hold a lot of benefits for both teams.

[WSUwatcher]

My two cents:

Our success in prior seasons and name recognition won't matter, and it shouldn't. Otherwise, you'd automatically include blue bloods even if they had a year like 2013 Kentucky, who was bounced in the first round of the NIT after winning the title the year prior.

The fact that our coach is Gregg Marshall shouldn't matter.

Trends shouldn't matter. It should be about the entire season. Games in Nov/Dec should still matter as much as games in Jan/Feb.

I believe these things, and yet I believe WSU should still be easily in the tournament.

Agree about the brand and Marshall, disagree about trends.

If the idea is for the best teams to be in the tournament, AND the tournament is played at the end of the season, then it makes sense to favor the teams that are the best at the end of the season. If someone wants to judge which teams would be in if the "tournament began today," then fine -- stop the damn season and play the tournament today. But otherwise, deal with the reality that exists at the end of the season when the tournament occurs.

[ccrunner101]

Always thought this could benefit teams like Wsu. This year play St Mary's on the Thursday after the MVC and it would hold a lot of benefits for both teams.

Or a ton of risk like bracketbusters when we lost to VCU

[WSUwatcher]

Always thought this could benefit teams like Wsu. This year play St Mary's on the Thursday after the MVC and it would hold a lot of benefits for both teams.

Unfortunately, they don't have any games left.

I've seen teams do this in baseball; in fact, the Shocks used to do it themselves back in the good old days of unlimited games, and play a series after the conference tournament. Basketball teams could do it too; but they'd have to leave a spot open, because they're limited as to how many games they're allowed -- and how many teams are going to leave a spot open in their allotment if they don't know whether it will ever come into play? Not everyone can count on a full house the way WSU can.

(Actually, the same is true in baseball now too -- i.e., there's a schedule limit -- but you still see it occasionally because of rainouts. Games lost to weather or such events are far less common, although not totally unheard of, in hoops.)

[AZ Shocker]

I wonder what the average point margin is for all teams that have won against Top-50 rpi teams this year. Boy would that be a task to figure out. I do not volunteer...lol

But for conversation purposes say that it was 10 points avg. victory for teams that have won against top-50 rpi teams. Heck maybe it's only a 5 point avg. margin. Well then ...could Wichita St's 41 point victory margin against isur be considered winning 4 top-50 games. Ha-ha.

But seriously...I wonder how many other teams have beaten a top-50 rpi team by 40 freakin points???

[ShockerPrez]

Everyone says that no 1 or 2 seed wants to see us in the 2nd round, but we suck, look at our resume...

Its as if our 1st round game is a given win, but we may not belong in thd tourney.

Which is it ****tards?

[FlyingWheat]

If we lose in St. Louis, I'm afraid the Committee would leave us out to send a message: if you're not part of the P5 ruling class, don't expect fair treatment.

FTFY

[jdshock]

Our success in prior seasons and name recognition won't matter, and it shouldn't. Otherwise, you'd automatically include blue bloods even if they had a year like 2013 Kentucky, who was bounced in the first round of the NIT after winning the title the year prior.

Your argument is that if we take prior seasons into consideration we would have to include blue bloods automatically. I think you're giving too much credit to the committee.

They absolutely do consider the name and coach and prior success when the committee picks the tournament field. UK was a 1 seed in the NIT that year with a 21-12 record, suggesting they were right on the bubble. Are you telling me WSU would have sniffed the tournament with a 21-12 record? The fact that UK was considered a bubble team actually bolsters the argument that the committee cares about name and past success.

Being able to point to a single time in recent years that a blue blood missed the tournament doesn't mean that the committee ignores recent success for teams.

[wichshock65]

FTFY

I guess im getting old. Finally looked up to see what FYFY means. I had an idea what it was.

Urban dictionary says its either "Fixed this for you" or " f*** this, f*** you".

Which meaning were you referring to?

[xazshox]

There is an excellent article on The Shocker Faithful on this subject written by Gary Parrish of CBS Sports. It's all about what is fair for WSU>

[BOBB]

Talked about this ad nauseum, but replace a few of our home cupcakes with road, neutral, and real home games we are not talking about this. Also, St. Louis and Tulsa SHOULD be good games. Also, win one of OSU, MSU, Louisville games. Also, the Valley sucks.

[FlyingWheat]

I guess im getting old. Finally looked up to see what FYFY means. I had an idea what it was.

Urban dictionary says its either "Fixed this for you" or " f*** this, f*** you".

Which meaning were you referring to?

The first one :)

[jdshock]

Talked about this ad nauseum, but replace a few of our home cupcakes with road, neutral, and real home games we are not talking about this.

Your plan requires us to be a great team in November. Top teams play a couple of premier teams in the non-con and then a bunch of nobodies. If they lose both premier games, they're quality losses that don't hurt them and then they have the conference season to make it up.

Frankly, we weren't that good in November. You add two more losses to our schedule, and I think we aren't talking about it only because we know we have to rely on the auto-bid to get in.

[SHOXAAC]

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