2016-17 Bracketology

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Andy Bottoms, the #1 rated bracketologist over the past 5 years, has WSU in as a 10-seed today.

Andy is one of only 2 bracketologists to beat the matrix as a whole, on average, over the past 5 years, and his margin over it has been very slim. Gotta give him credit though. Quality work.

The matrix as a whole right now has WSU at 9.77

[Dan]

Would anyone want to be a 1 seed, play a 8/9 seed (that is a 3/4 seed by ability), and the 8/9 seed is playing within a 2 hour drive of its fan base? (A faithful fan base that travels really well.)

Like when we had to play Kentucky? Reverse karma this year

[Jhook89]

Honestly, I totally get the narrative that our resume is very poor. Chances are we won't have a single win against a team that's going to be in the dance. We are hanging our hat on a win against ISUr, whose only real quality win is against us. The MVC is a joke this year. If I was looking at our resume as non-biased as I could, I would say we are an 11 seed.

All that being said, resume and actual quality of a team are two different things. This team IS one of the top 20 teams in the country and has the talent and skill to go deep in this years tourney. No one will want to see us on their side of the bracket. We will be given a seed that is way below the actual quality of this team because our resume is trash. Some of our non-con opponents and the MVC really let us down this year.

[shock-it-to-me]

How does a WSU fan even remember something like that?

Because I'm a HUGE Chicago Bulls fan! :)

[Shockers5150]

Seth Greenberg agreed with me that WSU would be high on the list of teams other coaches would not want to see in there bracket.

[Shockers5150]

Andy is one of only 2 bracketologists to beat the matrix as a whole, on average, over the past 5 years, and his margin over it has been very slim. Gotta give him credit though. Quality work.

The matrix as a whole right now has WSU at 9.77

Would love a 10 seed.

[boltforge]

Like when we had to play Kentucky? Reverse karma this year

Can't you see them creating another messed up regional like that again?

[im4wsu]

Not a fair comparison as Doug had an ankle injury that severely limited him his rookie season.

And Ron is in the Knicks organization. And Doug wasn't playing on a bad ankle, so these stats are from when he was playing. Excuse for being lame = lame excuse!

[im4wsu]

And don't forget, bolt -- a #8-9 that knows it can beat you and looks forward to the chance to do it again. Definitely not the ideal opponent.

Edit: Also, very intereesting comparison involving 2014 McDermott, im4. Striking similarity to Baker, although Ron's ball handling is obviously much superior. Given Ron's skills on defense, this may bode well for his future, especially if he gets with someone that plays actual team basketball (although he does seem to have the advantage right now of a coach who appreciates where he's coming from). Just two things: 1) We've obviously sold Little McD short on athleticism -- he managed to block an NBA shot; and 2) How the heck is Ron only shooting 60% at the line? I know 20 FTs is a small sample, but still.

I know +/- depend on teammates as well, but look at the difference!

[shock-it-to-me]

And Ron is in the Knicks organization. And Doug wasn't playing on a bad ankle, so these stats are from when he was playing. Excuse for being lame = lame excuse!

Was NEVER my intent to compare Doug and Ron. Original post said Doud irrelevant and forgotten outside of Omaha. Obviously not true. Particularly to a Bulls fan like me :)

[im4wsu]

Was NEVER my intent to compare Doug and Ron. Original post said Doud irrelevant and forgotten outside of Omaha. Obviously not true. Particularly to a Bulls fan like me :)

Yet you quickly attacked the comparison with the lame excuse.

[shock-it-to-me]

Yet you quickly attacked the comparison with the lame excuse.

Not a lame excuse tho. Ankle injury limited his production. So would you say FVVs reduced production early last season due to hammy would also be a 'lame excuse"

[Dave Stalwart]

Because I'm a HUGE Chicago Bulls fan! :)

You've got a very difficult conflict of interest on your hands.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Honestly, I totally get the narrative that our resume is very poor. Chances are we won't have a single win against a team that's going to be in the dance. We are hanging our hat on a win against ISUr, whose only real quality win is against us. The MVC is a joke this year. If I was looking at our resume as non-biased as I could, I would say we are an 11 seed.

All that being said, resume and actual quality of a team are two different things. This team IS one of the top 20 teams in the country and has the talent and skill to go deep in this years tourney. No one will want to see us on their side of the bracket. We will be given a seed that is way below the actual quality of this team because our resume is trash. Some of our non-con opponents and the MVC really let us down this year.

This is exactly why having a dozen 30+ point beatdowns of mediocre teams needs to be part of the resume. We know WSU is really good because they beat mediocre teams soundly, night in and night out. To claim any sort of "resume", but to exclude this fact from it, is a sign that the resume structure is highly flawed.

WSU didn't play a 5 game season, yet some try to act like WSU's resume is merely 5 games long.

[boltforge]

Where is the best site to download win/loss stats with home / neutral / away included?