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Originally posted by WuDrWu View PostWord porn.
People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
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Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.
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Originally posted by RoyalShock View PostI wonder what this could mean?
"When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!
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Originally posted by Kung Wu View PostDear Shockernet Diaries,
...People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.
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Originally posted by MoValley John View Post
Kansas is in trouble. I don't live in Kansas, I don't live in Big 12 territory, and I'm not in the KU media bubble. I live in what is now B1G territory. Most of my business dealings are with people in B1G territory and the bulk of my friends are alums from schools outside of the Big 12.
Kansas doesn't move the radar. Kansas is a tough, tough sell. Kansas does have basketball heritage, but then what? Nothing. Crappy football, crappy baseball, mediocre volleyball, sh¹tty across the board Olympic sports. Nothing. And their "National" brand doesn't drive enough revenue to offset their addition to the B1G.
A few years back, KU knew this was coming. They initiated a $300 mm fundraising effort to rebuild their entire football program. New stadium, everything. It failed. They paired it down to just a few upgrades here and there and an indoor practice facility. Nearby B1G schools like Nebraska and Iowa have multiple indoor facilities, and they are adding more. Moreover, Nebraska just casually began digging dirt on another $160 mm football project.
For Kansas to get into the B1G, their inclusion would need to increase conference revenue by $50-$60 mil. Basketball doesn't. Kansas is a MAC school pretending to be a "flagship" because they have a heritage basketball team. For many KU fans, reality is slowly sinking in.
I know Kansas will do anything possible to stay in a power conference. The B1G may give them a lifeboat, but the buy-in will be in the millions and millions. It was $35 million for Nebraska a decade ago. It will be more for KU. The B1G controls all the cards, they control the negotiations, KU, if it even gets that far, will be paying a premium to join. They'd be far better off going the UConn route and dumping their boat anchor football program and joining the AAC or Big East.
Kansas is not a MAC school. They're not a football power, but the university does have value if you look at their endowment (three times higher than the highest MAC school), their AAU status, enrollment, basketball, and Kansas City market. I know this is a WSU forum and I am a Shocker fan, but Kansas IS the flagship university in this state.
If after all of this the state of Kansas ends up with zero colleges in a power conference while every state that surrounds us has power conference representation, I think that will be a shame considering that we used to be the center of one of the best conferences in the country (the Big 8).
By the way, I actually think it could benefit WSU if Kansas left the Big 12 for one of the four power conferences. If Kansas stays in the Big 12, they add value to the conference and make it attractive for AAC programs like Houston and Cincinnati to join. If Kansas leaves, the Big 12 loses luster and maybe some of those AAC schools will think twice about joining.
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Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
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People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.
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Originally posted by WuShockFan View Post
Kansas might not go to the Big 10, if they are not wanted there as you say. The Pac-12 is also a possibility. I could see a scenario where KU, K-State, OK State, and Texas Tech go Pac-12, creating an eastern division with Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools. I do think when the dust all settles on this, that Kansas will either be leading a revamped Big 12 or they will be in one of the four power conferences.
Kansas is not a MAC school. They're not a football power, but the university does have value if you look at their endowment (three times higher than the highest MAC school), their AAU status, enrollment, basketball, and Kansas City market. I know this is a WSU forum and I am a Shocker fan, but Kansas IS the flagship university in this state.
If after all of this the state of Kansas ends up with zero colleges in a power conference while every state that surrounds us has power conference representation, I think that will be a shame considering that we used to be the center of one of the best conferences in the country (the Big 8).
By the way, I actually think it could benefit WSU if Kansas left the Big 12 for one of the four power conferences. If Kansas stays in the Big 12, they add value to the conference and make it attractive for AAC programs like Houston and Cincinnati to join. If Kansas leaves, the Big 12 loses luster and maybe some of those AAC schools will think twice about joining.There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.
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Originally posted by WuShockFan View Post
Kansas might not go to the Big 10, if they are not wanted there as you say. The Pac-12 is also a possibility. I could see a scenario where KU, K-State, OK State, and Texas Tech go Pac-12, creating an eastern division with Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools. I do think when the dust all settles on this, that Kansas will either be leading a revamped Big 12 or they will be in one of the four power conferences.
Kansas is not a MAC school. They're not a football power, but the university does have value if you look at their endowment (three times higher than the highest MAC school), their AAU status, enrollment, basketball, and Kansas City market. I know this is a WSU forum and I am a Shocker fan, but Kansas IS the flagship university in this state.
If after all of this the state of Kansas ends up with zero colleges in a power conference while every state that surrounds us has power conference representation, I think that will be a shame considering that we used to be the center of one of the best conferences in the country (the Big 8).
By the way, I actually think it could benefit WSU if Kansas left the Big 12 for one of the four power conferences. If Kansas stays in the Big 12, they add value to the conference and make it attractive for AAC programs like Houston and Cincinnati to join. If Kansas leaves, the Big 12 loses luster and maybe some of those AAC schools will think twice about joining.
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Originally posted by MoValley John View Post
The Big 12 lost all luster with the loss of OU and UT. You can't put lipstick on that pig. P-4 is football. It's all about football. There are no P-4 basketball conferences. In division 1 football you have the P-4 and the group of 5. Oh, and the orphaned Big 12. When Kansas starts playing P-4 level football, then they can start talking about belonging in a P-4 conference. As it is, they annually lose to group of 5 team.
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Originally posted by MoValley John View Post
Kansas is in trouble. I don't live in Kansas, I don't live in Big 12 territory, and I'm not in the KU media bubble. I live in what is now B1G territory. Most of my business dealings are with people in B1G territory and the bulk of my friends are alums from schools outside of the Big 12.
Kansas doesn't move the radar. Kansas is a tough, tough sell. Kansas does have basketball heritage, but then what? Nothing. Crappy football, crappy baseball, mediocre volleyball, sh¹tty across the board Olympic sports. Nothing. And their "National" brand doesn't drive enough revenue to offset their addition to the B1G.
A few years back, KU knew this was coming. They initiated a $300 mm fundraising effort to rebuild their entire football program. New stadium, everything. It failed. They paired it down to just a few upgrades here and there and an indoor practice facility. Nearby B1G schools like Nebraska and Iowa have multiple indoor facilities, and they are adding more. Moreover, Nebraska just casually began digging dirt on another $160 mm football project.
For Kansas to get into the B1G, their inclusion would need to increase conference revenue by $50-$60 mil. Basketball doesn't. Kansas is a MAC school pretending to be a "flagship" because they have a heritage basketball team. For many KU fans, reality is slowly sinking in.
I know Kansas will do anything possible to stay in a power conference. The B1G may give them a lifeboat, but the buy-in will be in the millions and millions. It was $35 million for Nebraska a decade ago. It will be more for KU. The B1G controls all the cards, they control the negotiations, KU, if it even gets that far, will be paying a premium to join. They'd be far better off going the UConn route and dumping their boat anchor football program and joining the AAC or Big East.
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