American Athletic Conference

[proshox]

I knew I could get JH4P & SF to agree.

I still think we had a very beatable team last year. The number one defense in the nation is going so win you a high number of games, but real competition will figure it out a handful of times.

The weakness of the MVC and our strong performance in late winter had a strong correlation.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Doesn't playong in the Big East help boost an individual team's rating?

KenPom doesn't work that way.

[WstateU]

You're crazy.

Aren't we all?

I know I am...

[MoValley John]

KenPom doesn't work that way.

Not as ditectly as RPI, kenpom is efficiency ratings, but if you read his methodology, SOS is factored.

http://kenpom.com/blog/ratings-methodology-update/

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Not as ditectly as RPI, kenpom is efficiency ratings, but if you read his methodology, SOS is factored.

http://kenpom.com/blog/ratings-methodology-update/

How could any ratings system not include some sort of reference to who you played?

The point is that you can play the #1 ranked team and still drop in the rankings if you do poorly. Playing in the Big East does not guarantee a good KenPom ranking. Playing in the MEAC does not guarantee a bad one.

[MoValley John]

How could any ratings system not include some sort of reference to who you played?

The point is that you can play the #1 ranked team and still drop in the rankings if you do poorly. Playing in the Big East does not guarantee a good KenPom ranking. Playing in the MEAC does not guarantee a bad one.

Sure, no metrics are perfect and schedule affects them all, that is also why I can say that the 2014-15 team was that bad, because I watched them. Every home game. They could shoot the ball, they just didn't have foot speed, they couldn't defend, they didn't play together and they sure weren't great ballplayers. I saw more unforced errors on that team than I think I've ever seen. On three occasions that I remember, after a made shot, the inbounds pass was passed out of bounds, to no one, with no pressure.

I know everyone hates the eye test reference, but it has value. In 2014-15, Creighton failed the eye test, and everyone knew that before the season started. Creighton essentially lost everyone after 2013-14, if the 2014-15 team was any good at all, you would think at least one of those guys would be starting today, instead, Creighton has two solid backups, and an injured dude, none of which would start this year, two that didn't start last year.

They were Missouri State bad.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I know everyone hates the eye test reference, but it has value.. They were Missouri State bad.

Missouri St was 1-16 vs the top 200 that year. Creighton was 9-18.

Creighton won 5 more D1 games than Missouri St (14 vs 9) despite a MUCH tougher schedule.

Your eyes must suck.

[ShockCrazy]

They could shoot the ball

That puts them out of Thursday in the Valley.

[ShockerFever]

Sure, no metrics are perfect and schedule affects them all, that is also why I can say that the 2014-15 team was that bad, because I watched them. Every home game. They could shoot the ball, they just didn't have foot speed, they couldn't defend, they didn't play together and they sure weren't great ballplayers. I saw more unforced errors on that team than I think I've ever seen. On three occasions that I remember, after a made shot, the inbounds pass was passed out of bounds, to no one, with no pressure.

I know everyone hates the eye test reference, but it has value. In 2014-15, Creighton failed the eye test, and everyone knew that before the season started. Creighton essentially lost everyone after 2013-14, if the 2014-15 team was any good at all, you would think at least one of those guys would be starting today, instead, Creighton has two solid backups, and an injured dude, none of which would start this year, two that didn't start last year.

They were Missouri State bad.

I agree with you wholeheartedly MVJ, but you're never gonna convince the eye test to an analytical stat geek.

[ShockTalk]

Your eyes must suck.

you're never gonna convince the eye test to an analytical stat geek.

I thought I knew which one was who. Now I'm not sure.

[MoValley John]

I agree with you wholeheartedly MVJ, but you're never gonna convince the eye test to an analytical stat geek.

Analytical stat geeks had Hillary winning the election. Maybe analytics can be, um, cough, cough, flawed.

[ShockingButTrue]

WSU's Final Four team lost to the last place MVC team that year.

Just stop it.

Exactly. A last place Valley team is capable of beating a final four team. That's all. Nothing to read into it. I"m not claiming the Valley is as good as the B10. Thanks for solidifing my point. We don't agree often do we?

[ShockingButTrue]

I agree with you wholeheartedly MVJ, but you're never gonna convince the eye test to an analytical stat geek.

Oh yeah, one more quick observation; Trying to convince a stat geek of the relevance of the eye test is like trying to convince a chicken fan "No. You are not really gaining on the Bruins. OK?" Or... like trying to convince a chicken fan "Yes. A Valley team really can beat the best team in the b12. Remember?"

Don't. Even. Waste. Your. Precious. Time.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Analytical stat geeks had Hillary winning the election. Maybe analytics can be, um, cough, cough, flawed.

lol. That's Fever level of intellectual dishonesty right there.

I mean, seriously, you are the guy who was still predicting a Hillary win at 9:00 pm election night after states had already started getting called and Trump had already become the favorite.

[ShockerPhi]

Stubborness level 10/10