American Athletic Conference

[Cdizzle]

Statement 1:

I didn't assume anything.

Statement 2:

I stated WSU couln't support it's sports goals without the help of Chucks money or leadership to get money.

I guess I'm not good at reading words.

[DUShock]

Du, you really should read my posts. No where did I say that Chuck did it all. My last post clarified that.

And I am not disrespecting anyone. I was just bothered by Royal's original post about it. Didn't realize his beef was about the plural of Koch brothers, and not just Charles. My statement still stands, Koch pays our coach. People wanna get into a whine fest about it but his names on the building and it's in Gregg's Wallet. Fact. My orignal post in this section was to ask why Royal and apparently many others get rude and defensive about Charles paying our coach?

What is the point in pretending it is not true? Our athletic apartment cannot afford Gregg Marshall. Where do we stack in athletic revenues and students against MVC?
It is true, we all know, Koch is paying our coach. It's fact. OUr athletic department can't support it's endeavors without help from Koch to pay for our HC.

-- http://shockernet.net/forum/showthre...erence/page367
It is certainly implied in your post that he "did it all"

[WuDrWu]

Prove it. Otherwise you don't know anymore than anyone else.

He doesn't have to prove it, he's right.

[Boss1786]

Personally, I think Charles Koch gets a really bad rap for no reason. I don't understand why it is always mentioned in some kind of negative light towards him.

If the complaint is simply that it is unfair to have a guy like him in your corner, then fine. That's probably true. But it always seems like there is more underneath, like "not only are we mad that you have him, we are also disgusted with you for being in bed with THAT GUY."

At that point, I just start rolling my eyes. He seems like a decent man to me. Maybe I'm missing something.

I agree, he definitely doesn't seem to be the T Boone Pickens type...at least from what can be seen on the surface.

[lostshocker]

I didn't assume anything. I stated WSU couln't support it's sports goals without the help of Chucks money or leadership to get money. It's true, our first offer was no where near the amount we are paying him now.

thoroughly baffled why you even responded to the initial post about the whiny mvc president saying wsu had an advantage over the rest of the mvc because of koch. had you left it alone it would have died with 4 or 5 posts mocking the valley and their shortcomings but instead we are now nearing 3 pages of crap where you have stated multiple times "charles kock pays gregg marshal" but now want to say something different. oddly enough not many, if any, athletic departments could afford to have the programs they have if not for their boosters. some may have more money, some more clout but every single one of them relies on boosters. that is all charles koch is, is a booster. sure he might give a few dollars more but he is still just one of many who help make life easier for wichita state's athletic department.

[shockmonster]

I have proof because I visited with a person(a good friend) who was a part of the meeting and agreement to take care of all of our basketball coaches.

[Dave Stalwart]

And last but not least....... that's an assumption that's not mine.

I'm glad to hear that. I couldn't tell at first. I'm glad you are not like those other types of people that don't like Charles Koch because of his political views. I think he's probably a pretty good man, but I don't know him. He seems as generous as he is rich. A lot of times, those things go together nicely.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Your insinuation is not mine. His contribution at least helped did it not. That was my entire statement. You assumed I meant all or a majority. Your fault.

It's my fault you're contradicting yourself not only between posts, but within a single post?? What? Your point this entire time is that Koch pays such a disproportionately large share of Marshall's salary that WSU cannot "afford him". Your "entire statement" was not that Koch "helped." If it was, you could have avoided this useless argument.

Hell, I guess I pay HCGM's salary too. I bet the AD can't support its endeavors without help from me to pay for our HC. You're welcome.

[Cdizzle]

Hell, I guess I pay HCGM's salary too. I bet the AD can't support its endeavors without help from me to pay for our HC. You're welcome.

Yep. Thanks, buddy. I even literally hold meetings with other people about how much support to give. Maybe I should call the Alabama newspaper.

[mini-shock]

I am sorry you guys fail to understand me. My original post does leave you wondering if I meant if not for Koch and his pocket WSU couldn't be what it wants to be. A lot of stupidity has gone into pulling out details like what is it money, was it his influence, how much he contributed, did his family contribute, did he even give at all, was he leading the meetings. You guys can try to punk me all you want. Koch payed to help with the Stadium. He allegedly has meeting with Gregg every year, and lead (and possibly paid some) fund raising efforts. Maybe it was unfair to say without Charles, WSU can't support it's goals, specifically because we don't know how much. So I am sorry If I have gone off course to debate the senseless facts. Because either way you want to go, Charles has his handprint and wallet all over this basketball program.

Royal's original post was intriguing. Mostly because there is a little truth the the notion that WSU was so ahead of the MVC because of Charles' money and influence. Now I think the guy was absolutely wrong about many things but I wanted to consider the notion as Charles does in fact boost for our program. Whether or not Charles' "enter here how much he gave to boost Gregg's salary" dominated the money given to support his raise, is unknown. So the guy frm the MVC who claims that it's "unlimited" (or just a LOTTTTT), is no better off than anyone on here guessing, including myself.

[Cdizzle]

You can backhandedly backtrack all you want, but you're still incorrect. Because you and others completely irrationally marginalize the contribution potential of the rest of the WSU community. In fact, in most instances, this is brought up as a means to marginalize that group. It's a way to say "well, they don't really have a higher quantity of fans more invested in their program than us, they just have this one super rich guy."

It devalues the community. It devalues the 6000 people that showed up in January of 1996 to watch WSU get owned by mediocre Valley teams. It devalues the many many people, groups and companies that bought in to things like the Roundhouse Renaissance on little more than a hope and a prayer. It devalues that WSU fans match or out-travel nearly anyone in the country to places like Maui and the Bahamas and Portland and Atlanta. And by almost everyone who employs the argument, it is intended to carry those implications because it makes them feel better about why WSU is being as successful as they are.

[Aargh]

I am sorry you guys fail to understand me.

We neither need nor want to understand you. You're the noob here. Maybe you should try to understand us, but evidently that would take too much effort on your part.

You need to STFU - and I mean NOW! and try to comprehend how these here message boards on the Internet work. We're not here to educfate you. Your constant begging for links, proof, verification of every single thing that gets posted is lame and needs to stop.

Do what the rest of us did. Take some time. Do some digging. Some posters here are very kn0owledgable about the inner workings of athletics at WSU. We tend to trust that they give us accurate info when that's prudent, and give us nothing when that is appropriate.

Figure out who those posters are. Figure out who just blows smoke up other people's butts. You're the leader in that category right now.

If this board isn't to your liking - and it appears it is not - then I'd recommend you visit another WSU fan board. There's a guy over there who'd be glad to help you out. His name is ColdBlooded. You can find him here:

http://wheatshockers.com/

[shoxrox89]

What is the point in pretending it is not true? Our athletic apartment cannot afford Gregg Marshall. Where do we stack in athletic revenues and students against MVC?
It is true, we all know, Koch is paying our coach. It's fact. OUr athletic department can't support it's endeavors without help from Koch to pay for our HC.

There are multiple partons who donate even more than Mr. Koch, we literally have multiple patrons who donate millions to our athletic budget, please do your reserch before you speak about things you have no knowledge of.

[shoxrox89]

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Time to whip out the old spray.

[1972Shocker]

Looks like Bill Self and some of the other KU Coaches have better tax advisors than 3G and Bruce Weber.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2016/may/17/ku-coach-self-other-llcs-avoid-taxes-under-kansas-/

Of course, that little failed experiment has just been rescinded although the Rug (an many like others probably including Charles Koch) did get a windfall for 5 years at the expense of the average taxpayer.