Conner Frankamp is a Shocker

[newshock1234]

I will agree with you as I disagreed about those comments last year as well. Other college basketball topics I will agree with him about 99% of the time. The dude knows his college basketball. If anyone is a degenerate check out his picks ATS he was 38-19-2 last year and like 8-2-1 this year. In that same podcast he talks about how Perry Ellis has no chance at the next level. Doug is just blunt with his opinions.

He also has out for the Shockers rather he wants to admit or not. Its pretty Obvious. That twitter tirade was pretty last year was pretty embarrassing. I mean ******* has said some sour things about us as well but at least he will give us some props every now and then. Dont think ive ever heard Dougie say 1 positive thing about in the last couple years. ******* actually had us 9th in his current power rankings.

[SHOCKvalue]

It seems to take a full generation (like 25-30 years) to even come close of changing peoples perceptions of sports teams. Just look at ther K-States football program. They've been solid for what 20 years....and they still don't get a lot of national respect. On the other hand....isn't Notre Dame still the BEST of all of college football???

Well, it always helps to have the correct stats in front of you.

Hey, did you know WSU has been in the AP top 5 30 weeks in total, and the top 10 60 weeks? Not messing with you or calling you out, just the lower corresponding figures in your sig have always kind of chaffed me. Here's a good source to help for such data:

https://www.collegepollarchive.com

[kochHead]

He gets too invested in what he's saying and just comes off as a jerk most of the time. His little fued with Lutz last year was just bizzarre.

Bingo. It's not that he has a blunt opinion, it's that he will defend it to the death and beyond, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. After our loss to UK he tried to say that game proved his point that FVV was "over-matched" against BCS guards. Even though FVV was eating their lunch before he was sidelined due some **** luck with foul calls.

[WSUwatcher]

In respect to the conference competition, not at all.

No doubt that the Valley is down a level from the Big 12minus2. But Frankamp isn't transferring to the Valley (much as Bradley, Drake, and UNI et al., might like to borrow him; he's transferring to WSU. And the current WSU program under Marshall is NOT down a level from the current KU program under Self. That's not to disparage Self; it's just giving Marshall and WSU their due.

[pie n eye]

I will agree with you as I disagreed about those comments last year as well. Other college basketball topics I will agree with him about 99% of the time. The dude knows his college basketball. If anyone is a degenerate check out his picks ATS he was 38-19-2 last year and like 8-2-1 this year. In that same podcast he talks about how Perry Ellis has no chance at the next level. Doug is just blunt with his opinions.

IMO Doug is more worried about convincing people he is a knowledgable college basketball analyst than actually being a knowledgable college basketball analyst. I also don't feel like his record against the spread is much of an indication of his knowledge of the sport.

Bottom line is I don't think he's very good at what he does whether it's his radio show, analysis, or color commentary. But that's ok. I'm not going to hate someone for following their passion. I have a problem with his arrogant, know it all, infallible attitude.

[Cdizzle]

No doubt that the Valley is down a level from the Big 12minus2. But Frankamp isn't transferring to the Valley (much as Bradley, Drake, and UNI et al., might like to borrow him; he's transferring to WSU. And the current WSU program under Marshall is NOT down a level from the current KU program under Self. That's not to disparage Self; it's just giving Marshall and WSU their due.

I might point out that Bradley and UNI are bad examples, given that, you know, they each beat KU the last time they played. Funny how that difference in 'levels' may be much more in 'level of opportunity' than 'level of basketball ability.'

[Shocker1976]

I strongly disagree. Henry and Wiggins were only there for one year. The Morris twins definitely made leaps and bounds under Self, as did Thomas Robinson.

Bill Self is an exceptional coach, one of the best of the last 20-30 years. To say he's not is lazy, as 10 straight conference titles speaks for itself. You don't do that on talent alone. I personally just think we have a better coach here in Wichita.

IMO Self is the best coach KU has had since Phog Allen; given the talent of players KU attracts (and has since I started following basketball) he has been able to dominate his league. However, when comparing Self's ability to develop talent to Marshal's development skill - there no contest; Marshall's record of success speaks volumes on his superiority versus Self.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I might point out that Bradley and UNI are bad examples, given that, you know, they each beat KU the last time they played. Funny how that difference in 'levels' may be much more in 'level of opportunity' than 'level of basketball ability.'

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

[molly jabali]

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

uh oh.....

[Cdizzle]

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

While I think there are inconsistencies in your analogy (Monmouth defeated WSU in a historically down year, while Bradley and UNI beat KU in "average" years), I think it's reasonable to say that a difference in opportunity helps WSU relative to Monmouth, absolutely yes. I do not run around claiming that WSU would beat Monmouth every time they played because they are at different levels. I am intelligent enough to recognize that if WSU and Monmouth played often, and on equal terms (say neutral or H/H sites) that the results might be closer to even than we might guess given the current state of the two programs. WSU has the opportunity to play most of our non-conference games at home, Monmouth does not, just as one example of differing levels of opportunity.

I get the feeling you are trying to string me up here, but at the same time you're kind of missing my point. I'm not taking an opportunity to bash KU. I'm taking an opportunity to point out that I don't like people that argue a team or group of teams is on a different 'level' from other teams even though the direct correlations we have are to the contrary. I do not claim that no teams or players from the MAAC are worthy of competing with WSU or our players, even though the last time we played Monmouth, we lost.

[WstateU]

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

uh oh.....

[kochHead]

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

I will speak for him. You are misunderstanding his post. I think the point he is making is valid, and that is that good/great teams in so called "mid-majors" don't get the opportunity to play teams like KU often, but when they do they often show that they have a comparable "level of basketball ability". I don't think he is saying UNI or BU would beat KU today, just like Monmouth wouldn't beat WSU. Although...I may have misunderstood his post :)

EDIT: He spoke for himself, never mind.

[bpwsu86]

http://www.foxsports.com/kansas-city...wichita-120214 best take I've seen yet

[Dave Stalwart]

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

You know better than to do this, but you just love doing it :)

You know, a day is coming very soon where we don't have to use any more of our typical swiss cheese chest pumping methods (like saying KU lost to Bradley 8 years ago when they had an NBA player so that means we are better than them because we beat Bradley last year). You can have your logic fun, though, and I would encourage you to get it all out of your system while you can. The "WSU is amazing" position will continue to grow stronger as long as we keep HCGM.

I will give you this, though. When we lost to Monmouth, we were not in the NCAA tournament and we sucked. We also don't beat our chest about that year. I believe KU had won one of their magical, consecutive Big 12 titles the same year they got beat by crappy mid majors, so there's that. I don't know if that means anything or not. It sort of looks to me like they may not have won the MVC or whatever conference Bucknell is in those years. They did get that one glorious title over a C-USA team that they can keep bringing up. I wonder if KU would have dominated the MVC during the Korver years? That many conference titles is definitely a feat. I just wonder if they would have that many in a row if they were in the MVC instead of the Big 12 since 2000. hehe

[Shocker85]

Monmouth beat WSU the last time the two teams played. (2008)

Is the difference between Monmouth and WSU a "difference in level of opportunity" as well?

If I am misunderstanding your post, please help me out.

JH4P,

How long have you been waiting to whip out the Monmouth stat???

Do you not even realize that you come off as a stalker?

--'85.