Conner Frankamp is a Shocker

[shox526]

Coming into the season 3G praised Conner's offensive prowess, but noted he needed to improve his D, with some thinly veiled shots at the Rug's / Big12-2's defensive standards thrown in for good measure. Early in the year we saw that defensive intensity - ball denial, ball pressure, fighting through screens, etc. was still a weakness for Conner. Many a time during games 3G has invited CF to a chat followed by a sit on the bench after defensive missteps.

Late in the MSU game after it was well in hand, Conner made a play on D while pressing in the backcourt. IIRC it was a deflection that turned into a steal after he hustled to snag it away from a couple nearby MSU players. I'm probably reading too much into a garbage time play that I happened to see in person fairly up close (a benefit of attending road games is that you can get close seats far more economically than at Koch), but I hadn't yet seen that kind of play from him. I couldn't help but think 'the transformation is happening'.

I doubt (but hope he proves me wrong) that we'll ever view Conner as a defensive stopper. But that play and the further defensive improvement it hopefully foreshadows reminded me of why we love 3G.

[jdshock]

When is the last time you saw Ron or Fred not start a second half even if they had two fouls? Ever?

Wusphlash is right. Bring up a specific instance when it has happened.

This year alone, Fred or Ron started the first half but did not start the second half in the following games: Missouri State, Bradley, Charleston Southern, and St Louis. In at least the Bradley and St Louis games, Fred was back in by the 19:00 mark. It happened last year too, but I will not be searching the play-by-plays for that information. GoShockers has a lot of great information in their stat archives: http://goshockers.com/cumestats.aspx...bkb&year=2015&

[shoxlax]

I know we had a home game last year where it happened.

[The Cat]

Gregg has said it several times that he likes to protect his players with foul trouble startig the second half. He said the reason for this is that he feels referees will usually try and establish something in the first couple minutes of the half.

[proshox]

I wonder how closely some of you watch these games!

[wusphlash]

This year alone, Fred or Ron started the first half but did not start the second half in the following games: Missouri State, Bradley, Charleston Southern, and St Louis. In at least the Bradley and St Louis games, Fred was back in by the 19:00 mark. It happened last year too, but I will not be searching the play-by-plays for that information. GoShockers has a lot of great information in their stat archives: http://goshockers.com/cumestats.aspx...bkb&year=2015&

Tell me where to find the play-by-plays and I will gladly do the research and report back, right or wrong.

[wufan]

Tell me where to find the play-by-plays and I will gladly do the research and report back, right or wrong.

Are the games still on ESPN3/WatchESPN?

[jcdshocker]

Tell me where to find the play-by-plays and I will gladly do the research and report back, right or wrong.

Research is already done. How much more proof do you need?

[Steeleshocker]

Getting back in at the 19 minute mark for Fred is something new this year when the opponent has the first possession after the half. First stoppage and Fred is in the game.

[jdshock]

Tell me where to find the play-by-plays and I will gladly do the research and report back, right or wrong.

I already gave examples from this year, so I'm not certain what else you're looking for. I looked last year, and one of the first ones I clicked on was the SIU game on 1/15, and Fred didn't start the second half. If you go to this website, http://goshockers.com/cumestats.aspx..._bkb&year=2014 and click on game-by-game statistics, you can click on each individual game. Then you go to play by play, and then look at the second half to see who was subbed in and out.

[wusphlash]

Research is already done. How much more proof do you need?

Call me stuborn. Charleston Southern he only played 3 minutes of the first half. St. Louis was his first game back. Bradley we had a 24 point lead at half. Are you going to protect 2 fouls with a 24 point lead?

The Missouri State game was a 1 point affair. Something different than the others.

[wufan]

Call me stuborn. Charleston Southern he only played 3 minutes of the first half. St. Louis was his first game back. Bradley we had a 24 point lead at half. Are you going to protect 2 fouls with a 24 point lead?

The Missouri State game was a 1 point affair. Something different than the others.

Stuborn. I will certainly give you the Charleston Southern game, but St Louis...because it was his first game back? How about SIU last year? Seriously. If you have two first half fouls, you sit to start the second half almost every time with Marshall.

[jdshock]

Call me stuborn. Charleston Southern he only played 3 minutes of the first half. St. Louis was his first game back. Bradley we had a 24 point lead at half. Are you going to protect 2 fouls with a 24 point lead?

The Missouri State game was a 1 point affair. Something different than the others.

But he was back in the game by the 19 minute mark at st louis and in the Bradley game. It couldn't have anything to do with being concerned about his injury or us concerned about running up the score since he immediately went back in the game.

[ShockTalk]

I already gave examples from this year, so I'm not certain what else you're looking for. I looked last year, and one of the first ones I clicked on was the SIU game on 1/15, and Fred didn't start the second half. If you go to this website, http://goshockers.com/cumestats.aspx..._bkb&year=2014 and click on game-by-game statistics, you can click on each individual game. Then you go to play by play, and then look at the second half to see who was subbed in and out.

Might have to check to make sure FVV was in at the end of the 1st half or it wouldn't show a sub in/out. Biggest problem is finding games where FVV had 2 fouls in the 1st as it happens very little.

[jdshock]

Might have to check to make sure FVV was in at the end of the 1st half or it wouldn't show a sub in/out. Biggest problem is finding games where FVV had 2 fouls in the 1st as it happens very little.

If Fred was not in at the end of the first half, it will still say "sub in" whenever he does sub in (and I looked for that too), but I didn't really find an instance of that. Coach basically always has him in to end the half. I am done doing research on this. SIU last year, Bradley this year, and St Louis this year are all perfect examples that happened before the MoState game. Fred had two fouls in each, started each, and did not start the second half in each. I am not sure what else anyone could want.

It's all kind of a silly argument anyway. It started with me saying I think HCGM trusts CF, I just didn't believe we should read into who started the second half.