Conner Frankamp is a Shocker

[Steeleshocker]

Maybe the good folks concerned with the number of scholarships should raise the issue to HCGM on the coaches show. I have heard on several occasions he knows how to count.

Leave the heavy lifting to the big guy and support his choice, folks. Anything beyond that is worthless drivel.

When anything on a message board not worthless drivel? Ease up. It's a fan board, so rampant speculation and unfiltered opinions are par for the course.

All of us trust Marshall, but that shouldn't stop us from discussing all the goings on of our favorite team in the world.

[Veritas]

This guy gets it. If Gregg wants him I want him. If Conner is a shocker I will cheer for him. If he goes to Creighton to borrow a line from Charles Barkley " F him and his family".

I have a different view. If CFran and WSU can't make it work for whatever reasons, I wouldn't mind him going to CU. Their entire offense would be about CFran and he'd put up some crazy numbers. It would be fun to watch; especially when CU plays in Wichita (which will happen).
The negative is that I don't see CU being much good for the next 2-3 years. I don't believe Daddy Mac has even won a NCAA game without his son playing. Not sure if CF wants to play for a team that will have a losing record and not get a chance to play in the NCAA tournament.

[Kung Wu]

Or .... what if Fannykramp is a cyborg!?!?! That's how he makes all of his threes, folks!! Coach Self figured it out and has arranged one of their boosters to pay off Fanny so that he will join the Shox. Once the Shox make it to the NCAA tournament, The Booster will drop the bomb causing the NCAA to suspend us for having a half human/half machine on the roster! ... Just in time to prevent the Hox from having to lose to us.

I'm on to ya Self.

[60Shock]

What if this is a ruse and he's a bought and paid for mole?

We finally get that matchup against KU in the NCAAs. The Shox are up 73 to 71 with possession and 10 ticks on the clock. We're playing hot potato so the Hox can't foul us and its Fannykramp's turn with the rock. What does he do? He chucks up a shot from half court and misses the backboard entirely. The ball floats out of bounds giving the ball back to the Hox with 18 ticks left. They work the clock and suddenly with 1 second left, guess who's mark is left totally wide open? No not Shaq's. Fannykramp's mark gets the rock! Shoots a wiiide open three and it drops at the buzzer. Hox booster pays off Fanny after the match per their preseason agreement and that's that.

Point is ... can we trust him?

kUNG WU, you have a great, creative imagination second to none.

[MadaboutWu]

I was surprised to hear that CF's parents went to WSU as the discussion had always been that he had wanted to be a Jayhawk from birth. Does the family have KU connections as well?

[Rlh04d]

On second thought, if HCGM brought in another class of 2015 1 or 2, not named Conner Frankamp, what would everybody be saying? Would we think we could potentially be overloaded at the 1 2?

I would say HCGM knows many things that we don't, and he'll put the best team on the court he can.

I don't get wound up in recruiting here for that very reason. It's extremely hard to predict future performance on past performance, and none of us have any clue about academic standing, redshirts, possible future cuts, etc.

Marshall knows who he wants on the team and what positions he wants to focus on. He knows who will be here in a few years. I don't see a lot of point in second guessing anything he's doing. He's earned the benefit of the doubt a hundred times over.

All we know right now:
1. HCGM invited CF to come to the game. That means that HCGM is recruiting him.
2. CF came to the game. That means CF is open to being recruited by WSU.
3. HCGM knows how to count. That means he understands the recruiting situation.

Given both 1 and 3, that means worries about scholarships will work themselves out without anyone here having to stress about recruiting. Given the fact that HCGM appears to be extremely honest with his players and his recruits, that means CF is also aware of #3, and yet #2 still exists.

[Rlh04d]

Thread should have ended right there...

With a lot of assumptions?

And, in fact, assumptions that question the integrity of Coach Marshall as well.

[1972Shocker]

I asked my son at the game today what he thought the reaction of the crowd would be if they put Connor on the video board. He thought probably 95% would cheer, with a few boos. I think I'd have to agree.

I disagree. I don't think anyone would boo. 5% or so might not cheer simply because they probably wouldn't know who Conner Frankamp was. I talked with one season ticket holder who goes to St. Louis ever year. He wasn't even aware Frankamp had left KU. His comment was: "That explains why I he didn't play in KU's exhibition game I watched on TV the other night".

[1972Shocker]

Maybe the good folks concerned with the number of scholarships should raise the issue to HCGM on the coaches show. I have heard on several occasions he knows how to count.

Leave the heavy lifting to the big guy and support his choice, folks. Anything beyond that is worthless drivel.

You probably have hit the nail on the head. However, if the goal is to eliminate worthless drivel would their be a shockernet.net

[shocksrbest]

If HCGM thinks Connor would be a good fit, I would only applaud...as should every Shocker. Making a college choice in the face of fierce recruiting, is a tough decision for any 18 year old. He wanted to be a Jayhawk for a long time...no harm in that. We all make erroneous choices that we later regret. I wish Connor the best--as a Shocker or not.

[AZ Shocker]

I for one enjoy this type of discussion. We got a local Top-50 Wichita kid wanting to transfer over from the "darkside" to the GOOD GUYS!!! Right there...that's awesome in my book! AZ Shocker learning that Conner's parents went to Wichita St. is AWESOME in my book as well. AZ Shocker being assured by some in the ShockerNet Community that indeed Coach Gregg Marshall knows how to count is also AWESOME in my book. This has got WIN-WIN written all over it for everybody!!!!

Summary.....if Conner wants to play for National Coach of the Year Gregg Marshall...BRING him in!!!!
Where there's a WILL...there's a WAY!!!!!!!!
GO SHOCKERS!!!!!!!!!!

[Rlh04d]

I don't think there's anyone out here who wouldn't want Conner if there was room on the roster. I also don't think there are many out here who would want a current player or recruit cut. It's not about whether Frankamp might be a better player than some current or committed players. It's about whether we want to rescind on a commitment to the players we've recruited.

I don't think the hit to integrity is worth what we would gain by bringing Frankamp in on a scholarship.

If Conner wants a scholarship at WSU, he's asking us to do what he hated at KU.

So to understand your point:

1. There is no way to bring in CF without rescinding a scholarship to someone else.
2. Bringing in CF on scholarship would lack integrity.

And the fact that we know:

3. HCGM is currently recruiting CF.

So if CF ends up on scholarship at WSU you think that is due to a lack of integrity on HCGM's part?

You're assuming a hell of a lot there (#1) so that you can dance around questioning Marshall's integrity (#2 + #3).

[im4wsu]

So to understand your point:

1. There is no way to bring in CF without rescinding a scholarship to someone else.
2. Bringing in CF on scholarship would lack integrity.

And the fact that we know:

3. HCGM is currently recruiting CF.

So if CF ends up on scholarship at WSU you think that is due to a lack of integrity on HCGM's part?

You're assuming a hell of a lot there (#1) so that you can dance around questioning Marshall's integrity (#2 + #3).

I'm not sure what is being referred to by you and by others as "HCGM is recruiting CF." Did WSU respond to CF's request to attend the game and meet the coaches/team? Apparently, that is the case. Was it an official visit? Doubt it. Does this indicate WSU's level of interest? Absolutely not. All this could have been done as a courtesy to the North High coach. All this could have been done solely not to burn bridges. This cost WSU nothing to do, except for four tickets to an exhibition game that were not being used by other potential recruits.

Does this indicate CF's level of interest. Perhaps, but it could indeed be a relatively low interest or it could be a sincere and very high interest, CF and family know that.

My point is that simply because WSU did a politically correct thing by entertaining CF and family does not necessarily indicate any level of interest above the lowest level. It might, but it doesn't necessarily.

[Rlh04d]

I'm not sure what is being referred to by you and by others as "HCGM is recruiting CF." Did WSU respond to CF's request to attend the game and meet the coaches/team? Apparently, that is the case. Was it an official visit? Doubt it. Does this indicate WSU's level of interest? Absolutely not. All this could have been done as a courtesy to the North High coach. All this could have been done solely not to burn bridges. This cost WSU nothing to do, except for four tickets to an exhibition game that were not being used by other potential recruits.

Does this indicate CF's level of interest. Perhaps, but it could indeed be a relatively low interest or it could be a sincere and very high interest, CF and family know that.

My point is that simply because WSU did a politically correct thing by entertaining CF and family does not necessarily indicate any level of interest above the lowest level. It might, but it doesn't necessarily.

None of us really know anything about this.

But CF being at the game implies interest from WSU and from CF far more than it implies a lack of interest. Your points there are entirely possible, but they're not the most likely answer by any means.

Considering how little we know about any of this, assuming anything other than mutual interest from both WSU and CF right now would be silly.

There's a likelihood of one and a possibility of another. There's no reason to assume CF is Marshall's #1 target, or that CF doesn't want to play anywhere other than WSU. But assuming that Marshall isn't interested in CF goes against the only facts we know.

I really don't care about any of this, other than the fact that I don't like people here attacking someone that could be a WSU player in the future, or questioning Marshall's integrity for recruiting him.

[im4wsu]

None of us really know anything about this.

But CF being at the game implies interest from WSU and from CF far more than it implies a lack of interest. Your points there are entirely possible, but they're not the most likely answer by any means.

Considering how little we know about any of this, assuming anything other than mutual interest from both WSU and CF right now would be silly.

You are right, no one knows. But if I ask myself the question, "Would WSU turn down a request by CF and the North High coach to attend the exhibition and meet the team/coaches? I can visualize NO WAY WSU would turn them down. Even if they had no interest.

WSU may well be at the other end of the spectrum and be really pushing to recruit CF.

IMHO, the former is more likely than the latter. But I know nothing. Just not willing to read "interest" into something like a politically prudent move to allow CF and coach to attend.