Wichita State media love thread

[SB Shock]

Wow.

I think KCShox should honor his promise. You don't. It's a free country. Thus is last I'm going to say about it. On this thread. You are really coming off as quite an ass.

He isn't going to honor his promise? Is he Evansville welcher?

[ShockerFever]

Fact: SOS does not necessarily translate to NCAA Tournament success.

Sure, you wanna face good competition more than bad competition, but the idiots who keep throwing out that SOS will keep you from going far in the NCAA's is just flat out BCS ignorance. (Are you listening Digger, Goob, or *******?)

KU has had some of the Top SOS's in the nation. It didn't help them getting bounced by UNI in the second round in 2010 or in the Elite 8 by VCU in 2011.

While we all hope WSU is another Final Four team again this year, getting upset in the Round of 32 or 16 does not mean that WSU wasn't deserving of their seed or not a great team. If that's the case, then KU was a garbage team in 2010 and 2011 and you can go on and on about the other BCS 1 seeds that lost in the second round or Sweet 16 being garbage as well. Which of course, isn't the case.

[ShockerFever]

He isn't going to honor his promise? Is he Evansville welcher?

He should just change his name to Aces1982. That would be punishment enough if he backed out like a p****y.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

It's a straw man argument. Best not to get into that debate…especially with statistics.

Straw man how so? I would love to be corrected if i did that

[Fairgame]

Mike Lupica on Sports Reporters makes a great point about strength of schedule. It didn't seem to hurt the Shockers during our run last year. Buzz off naysayers!!!

Can anyone direct me as to how you find this "Sports Reporters"?

Thanks, in advance.

[Shox21]

How about getting back to something Important like what do you think Marshall's theme will be for games 32, 33 and 34. There are lots of former and current NBA players in that group: Magic Johnson, Bill Walton (although I personally can't stand the man), Blake Griffith, Julius Erving, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird, Patrick Ewing, Shaquille O'Neal, Scottie Pippen, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Charles Barkley, Kevin Durant, and last but certainly not least the X-MAN. Good company, all.

[wufan]

Straw man how so? I would love to be corrected if i did that

The ACTUAL argument is:

WSU does not belong amongst the Nation's elite teams this year, despite their 31-0 record, because they had a week strength of schedule.

The straw man is that the SOS matters at all. It doesn't matter (which you agree), so why debate it? Just state it doesn't matter and move on. All SOS debates are irrelevant when it comes to ranking teams. In fact, the RPI takes into account strength of schedule versus W/L record. When you look at the ACTUAL RPI (or Kenpom, or whatever you prefer) you will find that WSU is in the top 10 by any statistical measurement. Why separate the W/L record from the SOS and call out only part of the equation? Because that's the only argument that can be made…a straw man.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Fact: SOS does not necessarily translate to NCAA Tournament success.

Sure, you wanna face good competition more than bad competition, but the idiots who keep throwing out that SOS will keep you from going far in the NCAA's is just flat out BCS ignorance. (Are you listening Digger, Goob, or *******?)

KU has had some of the Top SOS's in the nation. It didn't help them getting bounced by UNI in the second round in 2010 or in the Elite 8 by VCU in 2011.

While we all hope WSU is another Final Four team again this year, getting upset in the Round of 32 or 16 does not mean that WSU wasn't deserving of their seed or not a great team. If that's the case, then KU was a garbage team in 2010 and 2011 and you can go on and on about the other BCS 1 seeds that lost in the second round or Sweet 16 being garbage as well. Which of course, isn't the case.

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[shocksrbest]

Fact: SOS does not necessarily translate to NCAA Tournament success.

Sure, you wanna face good competition more than bad competition, but the idiots who keep throwing out that SOS will keep you from going far in the NCAA's is just flat out BCS ignorance. (Are you listening Digger, Goob, or *******?)

KU has had some of the Top SOS's in the nation. It didn't help them getting bounced by UNI in the second round in 2010 or in the Elite 8 by VCU in 2011.

While we all hope WSU is another Final Four team again this year, getting upset in the Round of 32 or 16 does not mean that WSU wasn't deserving of their seed or not a great team. If that's the case, then KU was a garbage team in 2010 and 2011 and you can go on and on about the other BCS 1 seeds that lost in the second round or Sweet 16 being garbage as well. Which of course, isn't the case.

Another factor when considering a team's SOS is; how did they do against it? Doesn't really matter how tough your schedule is when you sucked against it--"Look mom, we went 0-10 against the toughest schedule in the country!!! Aren't you proud?"

An article was written this or last week about some 7,500 teams have tried to go undefeated since it was done last. At the time our SOS was 104...now--because we keep winning--it is 120 or so. So we are penalized for winning (and frankly, waxing teams) when to lose would be more beneficial to the opponent's argument. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[shox1989]

Did anyone question Louisville's top 10 ranking this week despite 4 losses because of their SOS? Last week Warren Nolan should Louisville with a SOS of 105 and WSU at 104. After losing yesterday, Louisville's SOS did improve to 96 and the Shockers SOS improved to 101 after winning. But the point is there is very little difference between the Shockers SOS and Louisville's, yet I never seem to hear anything about Louisville not being a top team because of their SOS. Where would WSU be ranked with 4 losses, now 5 losses after last night?

Also right now Warren Nolan is showing WSU with a 8-0 record against the rpi top 100. Louisville is just 5-5 against the top 100.

[ShockerKhan]

Doug Collins throws a little love our way referring to Tom Thibodeau coaching angry like Wichita State in Bulls Knicks game.
No TM sighting during game...Knicks are awful.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

The ACTUAL argument is:

WSU does not belong amongst the Nation's elite teams this year, despite their 31-0 record, because they had a week strength of schedule.

The straw man is that the SOS matters at all. It doesn't matter (which you agree), so why debate it? Just state it doesn't matter and move on. All SOS debates are irrelevant when it comes to ranking teams. In fact, the RPI takes into account strength of schedule versus W/L record. When you look at the ACTUAL RPI (or Kenpom, or whatever you prefer) you will find that WSU is in the top 10 by any statistical measurement. Why separate the W/L record from the SOS and call out only part of the equation? Because that's the only argument that can be made…a straw man.

You are implying I said things I never said.

A comment was made about WSU's weak SOS last year.
I said that it was an error to call last year's SOS weak.
Therefore, any argument made based on this error would be based on a faulty premise.

No strawman there. Just simple logic.

[DUShock]

Marshall/Knight SC Sunday Conversation

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=105...espnapi_public

I want more!

[DUShock]

We just completed a perfect regular season. Why are we bickering? Enjoy the ride my friends!

Go Shocks!

[shox1989]

I want more!

Interesting advice from Bobby Knight. The one thing to do right now to improve a team before the ncaa tourney: practice less.