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People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
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Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.
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Originally posted by MoValley John View PostI have a question. Does anyone know how much each Shocker player gets for NIL? And does anyone know what other schools in the American offer and where do the Shockers fit?
I have rough numbers for Creighton and UNO. Its very interesting because each Bluejay gets $150,000 plus the use of a car, while the entire Maverick team splits $100,000 with no car. Creighton fits in the top third of the BE in NIL, while UNO is top half of the Summit. Both teams NIL distribution seems to correlate closely to how they finish in their respective conferences.
It probably would help to know NIL at WSU and know how it fits in with the rest of the American as A benchmark to how the coaching staff is doing.
WSU ain’t got jack for NIL and that’s because the fan base doesn’t step up.People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.
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Originally posted by shock View Post
Bahahaha. Come on. It should be so easy. After all, your expectations are so realistic and attainable. Put your money where your mouth is. I have.
I'm challenging that the President change is completely irrelevant and the AD is slightly irrelevant. Most likely this scenario rarely if ever happens outside of our situation so there is no way to say whether those teams could in turn make the tourney or not.
You are saying its impossible to do. So find me say 3 of them in the transfer portal era that historically made the tourney more often than not, fired all 3 of those and then missed the tourney year one. I'll donate 100 to St Jude's if you do.
Off the top of my head, one that has 2 out of the 3 is K-State. New President in Feb 2022, Tang hired in March 2022, but the AD had been there for a few years. They made the tourney and even the elite eight.
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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
I wasn't the one that proposed the scenario. How about YOU back up your claim. Find me other schools that historically have made the tourney, then fired their President, AD and Coach in an 18 month period then missed the tourney. Also this conversation is really only relevant to the transfer portal era since building a team now is completely different
I'm challenging that the President change is completely irrelevant and the AD is slightly irrelevant. Most likely this scenario rarely if ever happens outside of our situation so there is no way to say whether those teams could in turn make the tourney or not.
You are saying its impossible to do. So find me say 3 of them in the transfer portal era that historically made the tourney more often than not, fired all 3 of those and then missed the tourney year one. I'll donate 100 to St Jude's if you do.
Off the top of my head, one that has 2 out of the 3 is K-State. New President in Feb 2022, Tang hired in March 2022, but the AD had been there for a few years. They made the tourney and even the elite eight.People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.
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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
The situation in UNT is VERY close to HCPM's incoming situation except that UNT didn't make the move until April whereas HCPM was hired in March.
Originally posted by Topshock View Post
The only problem with that logic is UNT was coming off an NIT championship, while our program had to pulled off the slipper slide headed for the dumpster.
There is a lot of what have you done lately in these kids.
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Originally posted by shock View Post
WSU put a player in the NBA last year, and he got the use of a car but only for the season and had to pay his own insurance which he struggled to do.
WSU ain’t got jack for NIL and that’s because the fan base doesn’t step up.
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Originally posted by Topshock View Post
Do you really know enough about our NIL situation to make that statement?Shocker fan for life after witnessing my first game in person, the 80-74 win over the #12 Creighton Bluejays at the Kansas Coliseum.
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Originally posted by BostonWu View Post
Abidde is light years ahead? I'm hoping we can recruit above him going forward.The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.
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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post
So you can't come up with anything to back up your claim. Got itPeople who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
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Originally posted by Ta Town Shocker View Post
Outside of the 3-4 people running it, don't believe anyone knows enough to speak intelligently about it.People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
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Originally posted by shock View Post
I really don’t need to look to know that it hasn’t been done, mostly because any institution going through that kind of change is doing it because it’s a grade A dumpster fire. You can’t turn one of those programs around in three months without unlimited resources. It just is what it is.
I gave an example of one that replaced 2 of the 3 and still made the tourney. Its also a school that just this offseason that said they had lower NIL resources than us. You have provided no other examples of schools that have had to do it, let alone one from a school that has a history of making the tourney (because its irrelevant if they miss the tourney after doing it if they never made it before anyways).
Also to be clear, i was never expecting to make the tourney not matter what coach we had... that was a criteria you tossed in. But I sure expected us to be getting better as we went along year one.
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Originally posted by MoValley John View PostI have a question. Does anyone know how much each Shocker player gets for NIL? And does anyone know what other schools in the American offer and where do the Shockers fit?
I have rough numbers for Creighton and UNO. Its very interesting because each Bluejay gets $150,000 plus the use of a car, while the entire Maverick team splits $100,000 with no car. Creighton fits in the top third of the BE in NIL, while UNO is top half of the Summit. Both teams NIL distribution seems to correlate closely to how they finish in their respective conferences.
It probably would help to know NIL at WSU and know how it fits in with the rest of the American as A benchmark to how the coaching staff is doing.FINAL FOURS:
1965, 2013
NCAA Tournament:
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021
NIT Champs - 1 (2011)
AP Poll History of Wichita St:
Number of Times Ranked: 157
Number of Times Ranked #1: 1
Number of Times Top 5: 32 (Most Recent - 2017)
Number of Times Top 10: 73 (Most Recent - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017)
Highest Recent AP Ranking:
#3 - Dec. 2017
#2 ~ March 2014
Highest Recent Coaches Poll Ranking:
#2 ~ March 2014
Finished 2013 Season #4
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Originally posted by AZ Shocker View Post
Kinda figured it was gonna take a couple million in NIL funds to get mens basketball players to come. Can Wichita match Omaha on that front? Cause it's kinda obvious the future of the program will depend on that. Is there 100 donors in the metro that will pony up 20k each?
I do think we have the donors to make it happen for men's basketball, but there will need to be results on the floor or they aren't going to stay. There are plenty of Wichita businesses that can write it off as a marketing expense. Armchair being a black box with no communication isn't helping anything either.
EDIT: Found it in a podcast .. apparently its 500k bucket, with 25k marketing contracts .. didn't specify exactly who. So its definitely not all athletes but probably need to tier it to 100k+ for one or two players then tailor it down to fill out the team with the VAST majority going to basketball and probably baseball (those baseball NIL will be lower than the top tier basketball ones)Last edited by Stickboy46; January 13, 2024, 12:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Stickboy46 View PostI do think we have the donors to make it happen for men's basketball, but there will need to be results on the floor or they aren't going to stay. There are plenty of Wichita businesses that can write it off as a marketing expense.
I too believe the donors are there...they may just have to be further educated on how to get the Shockers there in the new NIL world. It's simply not gonna happen otherwise. If any place can do it...I know Wichita can!
Now go buy a team!!! :)FINAL FOURS:
1965, 2013
NCAA Tournament:
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021
NIT Champs - 1 (2011)
AP Poll History of Wichita St:
Number of Times Ranked: 157
Number of Times Ranked #1: 1
Number of Times Top 5: 32 (Most Recent - 2017)
Number of Times Top 10: 73 (Most Recent - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017)
Highest Recent AP Ranking:
#3 - Dec. 2017
#2 ~ March 2014
Highest Recent Coaches Poll Ranking:
#2 ~ March 2014
Finished 2013 Season #4
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