The 2023 Official “Jay Bilas No Rules” Transfer Portal Thread

[Stickboy46]

We've had slam dunk waiver cases denied so I'm not counting on anything even remotely iffy

[SubGod22]

Go Re read Taylors article if you have a minute. He has updated it with some info regarding the waiver.

What's that have to do with KP?

[Shocker82/85]

We've had slam dunk waiver cases denied so I'm not counting on anything even remotely iffy

Allen was a dope smoking troublemaker at West Virginia before there were free transfers and he was not run off. Rogers was a 2 time transfer who had already used his free transfer and was not run off. Where was the slam dunk?

[shockerfan]

Allen was a dope smoking troublemaker at West Virginia before there were free transfers and he was not run off. Rogers was a 2 time transfer who had already used his free transfer and was not run off. Where was the slam dunk?

Allen had about as good of a mental health case at that time that anyone could have had. It was pretty much a slam dunk, especially for most schools not named Wichita State.

[Stickboy46]

Allen was a dope smoking troublemaker at West Virginia before there were free transfers and he was not run off. Rogers was a 2 time transfer who had already used his free transfer and was not run off. Where was the slam dunk?

If you want to talk mental health... Can't get a better case than Teddy Allen. Pretty sure we had professional therapists submit that it was in his best interest to be closer to his support system in Nebraska. But apparently the NCAA and Huggins knew better.

[Shocker82/85]

Being closer to his support system did not seem to help Allen’s behavior. WSU, Nebraska juco, Nebraska quitting during the season and then off to NMSU.

[RoyalShock]

Allen had about as good of a mental health case at that time that anyone could have had. It was pretty much a slam dunk, especially for most schools not named Wichita State.

IIRC, Allen publicly admitted to illegal drug use while at WVU. The NCAA wasn't going to grant him a waiver.

[SubGod22]

Being closer to his support system did not seem to help Allen’s behavior. WSU, Nebraska juco, Nebraska quitting during the season and then off to NMSU.

The not being able to play had a nullifying effect on that.

[Stickboy46]

Being closer to his support system did not seem to help Allen’s behavior. WSU, Nebraska juco, Nebraska quitting during the season and then off to NMSU.

What happened after their decision to deny it is irrelevant to it being a slam dunk case

[Stickboy46]

IIRC, Allen publicly admitted to illegal drug use while at WVU. The NCAA wasn't going to grant him a waiver.

God forbid someone someone wanted to try to improve themselves by being closer to a support system instead of having to rely on drugs. The NCAA isn't about people improving themselves.

Him having drug problems and wanting to be closer to people that can help him makes the waiver case even stronger.

[Shocktoberfest]

Being closer to his support system did not seem to help Allen’s behavior. WSU, Nebraska juco, Nebraska quitting during the season and then off to NMSU and Sky Kings.

You forgot one.

[shockerfan]

Being closer to his support system did not seem to help Allen’s behavior. WSU, Nebraska juco, Nebraska quitting during the season and then off to NMSU.

So the NCAA is also in the business of fortune telling? Wow!!!

[shockerfan]

IIRC, Allen publicly admitted to illegal drug use while at WVU. The NCAA wasn't going to grant him a waiver.

I think that is even a stronger case to get out of WVU in hopes that the therapists were correct that he needed to get closer to his support system at that time. Therapists even mentioned it was important to keep him playing to help structure his time and keep him busy.

Yes he went on to have struggles anyway, but no one could have known that at that time.

[Stickboy46]

I think that is even a stronger case to get out of WVU in hopes that the therapists were correct that he needed to get closer to his support system at that time. Therapists even mentioned it was important to keep him playing to help structure his time and keep him busy.

Yes he went on to have struggles anyway, but no one could have known that at that time.

There is also no way to prove that the problems he had after weren't directly caused by the NCAA decision to deny the waiver (nor prove the reverse) but it's reasonable to believe that it could have caused a setback.

[Shocker82/85]

Was anyone surprised when they heard about Allen’s problems in Wichita or as he moved from place to place? With his obvious talents, why is he playing in a low level minor league instead of the G League or in Europe? Must be the NCAA’s fault.

The point remains that these were not slam dunk cases. They were worth taking a shot at getting a waiver, but from the outset, they were not sure things and despite WSU’s best efforts, the NCAA’s decisions were not surprising to anyone looking at the cases objectively.