Coronavirus 2019-nCoV

[Kung Wu]

Dr. Fauci said this Day 1 of the pandemic and it's no more true today than it was then.

So you're coming around to realizing he was wrong on Day 1. Who'da thought?

[SHOCKvalue]

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I suppose Mr Pitts is just going to ignore that criticism and hesitance of the (at the time - potential) vaccines was nearly 100% owned by the progressive left, while Trump was still in office? It is not even a point of contention; we have video upon video, and article upon article, illustrating such.

It is darkly hilarious that the progressive left has flopped from 2020 anti-vaccine to 2021 "oh-mah-gerd... you silly anti-vaccine righties. Loloerlerzz insert SNL skit". Wouldn't you concur?

And if we're being 100% honest, Mr Pitts needs to add another group to his list of anti-vaccine-ers: his fellow african-americans. Legitimately the LEAST vaccinated demo in the US. I see he ignored that though in his diatribe. Weird.

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https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/natural-immunity-vaccine-delta-variant

Does Natural Immunity Protect Against the Delta Variant, or Do I Still Need the Vaccine?


Why vaccination is still crucial in the fight against the Delta variant, according to experts.

As the Delta variant surges across the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that anyone eligible should get the vaccine—including those who have been infected with COVID-19 in the past.

While antibodies from a COVID-19 infection may offer some degree of protection against another future infection (known as "natural immunity"), those who have already had the virus may still be vulnerable—perhaps especially to the Delta variant, the current predominant strain, which is nearly twice as contagious as previous variants. In fact, a study published by the CDC on August 6 compared reinfection rates of people who had previously had COVID-19 and found that unvaccinated individuals were more than twice as likely to be reinfected than fully vaccinated individuals.

For example, Taylor Heald-Sargent, MD, an assistant professor of pediatrics specializing in infectious diseases at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, explains that if you had COVID-19 during the initial outbreak in spring 2020, it's more likely than not that your antibodies don't measure up against the Delta strain.

And according to Dr. Heald-Sargent, while one person may have some degree of immunity to the Delta variant from a previous infection, the level of protection can drastically vary between individuals. For example, she says, an immunocompromised person may mount a weaker immune response than other individuals. Those who had milder forms of COVID-19 may also have weaker antibodies, Joshua LaBaer, PhD, MD, executive director of the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University, tells Health.

But no matter the severity, a past COVID-19 diagnosis isn't a guarantee of protection: A study conducted by the University of Oxford found that people with weaker immune responses from a previous infection could be at a higher risk of contracting one of the new variants of COVID-19. "We are definitely seeing lots of examples of people who had the infection in the past and who got re-infected despite that, both with the Delta variant and previous strains," explains Dr. LeBaer.

The CDC officially recommends vaccination for all eligible individuals, including those who have already had COVID-19 in the past. Compared to natural immunity, Dr. Adalja says immunity from vaccination is stronger, more robust, and more predictable — making it the best route for protecting against severe illness from the Delta strain.

While an infection creates antibodies against all the proteins in a particular viral strain, vaccination is more focused on neutralizing the most important protein. "The spike protein, which binds to receptors to get inside a person's cells, is the most important protein for a wide variety of strains," says Lakdawala. Antibodies against the virus' spike proteins neutralize the entire virus, she explains, which prevents it from entering the cells and making you sick.

Vaccines also provide more antibodies to fight off a new infection. Dr. LeBaer says while people who have been infected may have antibodies in their blood, those antibodies increase considerably upon vaccination.

And due to the increased antibodies, when the vaccine protection starts to wear off, people might be protected longer. "The vaccine elicits many more antibodies than a natural infection, so as the vaccine declines, the protection lasts longer than it would from a natural infection," says Dr. Heald-Sargent.

So for the love of all that's Holy... let's change the subject. Please don't make ol' CB come back on Monday and see a bunch of Fox News/Conspiracy theorist/Anti-vax/ bullshit stinking up the thread.

What we know so far:

1) Vaccines are a better/smarter/safer choice than natural immunity.

2) Vaccines strengthen natural immunity.

3) Vaccines are recommended for every single person of appropriate age and health on earth.

4) Vaccines are our way OUT OF THIS ****ING NIGHTMARE.


HAVE

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WEEKEND

YOU

SOBS

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

No kidding. That might be the most unclear graph I've ever read on the subject.

Here's an easier one:



Current hospitalizations: 72,876 (30/100,000k)

https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-m...acking-project

Lot's of southern border states with high hospitalization rates. Hmmm, I wonder what could cause that?

[C0|dB|00ded]

51% of people in the US fully vaxed.
10% more with at least one vax.
10% more with prior symptomatic infection.

That's 71% with antibodies and doesnt include asymptomatic prior infections or additional 2% unresolved cases.

Covid isn't the measles. There's likely no lifetime immunity. You can stop the herd immunity countdown. That ship has sailed my friend.

[Kung Wu]

Covid isn't the measles. There's likely no lifetime immunity. You can stop the herd immunity countdown. That ship has sailed my friend.

Herd immunity doesn't mean it has or will become extinct, as you just implied.

[SHOCKvalue]

I think Cold has CDR. Highly similar to TDR, and afflicted generally by similar subsets of the US population.

[wufan]

Uhhhhhmmmm. (strawman, appeal to ignorance)

CoronaviruZ scienceZ 101: The coronavirus immune response is historically non-durable. Dr. Fauci said this Day 1 of the pandemic and it's no more true today than it was then.

VACCINATIONS AFTER ASYMPTOMATIC AND MILD INFECTION IS RECOMMENDED BY ALL TOP INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALISTS IN THE WORLD. THE RESULTING IMMUNE STATE IS SUPERIOR/STRONGER THAN PRIOR TO IMMUNIZATION.

I hope that is clear enough for you.

You have no links, no science, and totally ignored the question.

[wufan]

No kidding. That might be the most unclear graph I've ever read on the subject.

Here's an easier one:



Current hospitalizations: 72,876 (30/100,000k)

https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-m...acking-project

Got a per capita map?

[wufan]

https://www.health.com/condition/inf...-delta-variant

Does Natural Immunity Protect Against the Delta Variant, or Do I Still Need the Vaccine?


Why vaccination is still crucial in the fight against the Delta variant, according to experts.












So for the love of all that's Holy... let's change the subject. Please don't make ol' CB come back on Monday and see a bunch of Fox News/Conspiracy theorist/Anti-vax/ bullshit stinking up the thread.

What we know so far:

1) Vaccines are a better/smarter/safer choice than natural immunity.

2) Vaccines strengthen natural immunity.

3) Vaccines are recommended for every single person of appropriate age and health on earth.

4) Vaccines are our way OUT OF THIS ****ING NIGHTMARE.


HAVE

A

GREAT

WEEKEND

YOU

SOBS

“…Those who have already had the virus may still be vulnerable—perhaps especially to the Delta variant,”

Is the confidence interval in that statement even a positive integer?

[wufan]

Covid isn't the measles. There's likely no lifetime immunity. You can stop the herd immunity countdown. That ship has sailed my friend.

Well, we’re certain to get this disease down to zero then!

[MoValley John]

I have read many articles on impact of infected people that have had the anti-body infusion. All are 95% plus efficacy against symptomatic reinfection.

There is no vaccine replicating the same.

I have had the antibody infusion. My virologist says I cannot get vaccinated for a minimum of 90 days, recommended for 6 months.

Believe the science. It is real.

So, if I've had the insidious beast, fully recovered, then got the two jabs, does that make me Batman? Asking for a friend.

[pinstripers]

So, if I've had the insidious beast, fully recovered, then got the two jabs, does that make me Batman? Asking for a friend.

you need to mask up during sex

[MoValley John]

you need to mask up during sex

I always do.

[WuDrWu]

So, if I've had the insidious beast, fully recovered, then got the two jabs, does that make me Batman? Asking for a friend.

Yes, but hearing you need to watch out for Robin these days.