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The sad truth of this is that it was our idiot current president and his imbecilic vp that were leading this charge against the Trump vaccine effort. Now they have flip flopped and they can't convince their base (particularly the minority base) that they should trust the vaccine. They have failed at their vaccine efforts. -
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Sure it is.Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
Mayo Clinic research demonstrating that:
Moderna is now considered 76% effective against infection.
Pfizer is now considered 42% effective against infection.
mRNA-1273 = ModernaIn the context of increasing cases in Minnesota during July, the effectiveness against infection was lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) compared to prior months, with an even more pronounced reduction for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).
BNT162b2 = Pfizer
This journal article studied people with prior infection over a 6 month time frame:
If you are at least 90 days after your first infection ...
BUT! This study went over a 6 month period of time, and they found that protection INCREASED as time went on ..."Protection of prior infection against symptomatic disease was 85%, and even including asymptomatic cases, protection offered against reinfection was 82%."
82, 85, and 90 > 76 and 42.Six months after infection, protection against symptomatic disease exceeded 90%.
Q.E.D.Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!Comment
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I would have preferred to have gotten natural antibodies from having Covid. My wife and I both have asthma, so it was the shots for us.
I just feel like this situation was forced upon society (thanks, China) and so we've had to deal with it as best we can. Masks, social distancing, shutdowns, etc. It all made the most sense early on as we just didn't know enough. What sucks was the politicization that resulted. It's skewed the perspectives of so many people on both sides such that now that we know more, have a protective device available for those who choose, we're still arguing - like little kids over Legos - about everything.
Add to that how western states are dropping or re-evaluating high school graduation requirements for racial reasons it's just more evidence we're creeping closer and closer to Idiocracy.Comment
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Minor error. LOL!! Absolutely zero credibility. And people wonder why there is so much skepticism and doubt across the board. In order for people to buy in and believe, there has to be some trust in the legitimacy of the data and the agenda. SMH.Comment
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What a second... let me get this straight: you and your wife have asthma and you're disappointed because you're missing out on having an antibody-worthy bout with Das Alien?Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
I've heard a lot of crazy **** in this thread, but that brother... just about takes the cake.
Asthma or not, at your age, either you or your wife could be expected to have a really nasty go. And it would probably be you.
Choice #1 - Temporary-to-permanent immunity to a disease that has the potential to kill anybody in any condition or leave them struggling with symptoms for months to years. All you have to do is accept the free gift
Choice #2 - All risks involving pain, suffering, temporary or permanent afflictions are on the table. Payoff is the same as in Choice #1.
Sounds like a deal written in Romans doesn't it?
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Who said it wasn't?Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
You gotta admit that there are tons of inconsistencies and flip flopping messaging that would make people skeptical. Hell Biden can't even convince his own base.Comment
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Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection
Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.
If someone has had COVID-19, why should they get vaccinated? Don’t they already have immunity?
If you’ve been infected, you have some protection. But that immunity has limits. The biggest limit is that it doesn’t last as long as we would like it to.
Studies have shown that people who have been infected can benefit significantly from vaccination. It gives them a strong, lasting immunity boost. After receiving the first dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, they have immunity levels comparable to those of uninfected people who have received their second dose.How long does immunity last from being infected? From vaccination?
Immunity from natural infection starts to decline after 6 to 8 months. We know that fully vaccinated people still have good immunity after a year—and probably longer.Why is it that the vaccine leads to better immunity than natural infection?
The honest truth is, we don’t know. The immune system of people who have been infected has been trained to target all these different parts of the virus called antigens. You’d think that would provide strongest immunity, but it doesn’t. The Pfizer or Moderna vaccines target just the spike protein—the part of the virus that is essential for invading cells. It’s like a big red button sitting on the surface of the virus. It’s really sticking out there, and it’s what our immune system sees most easily. By focusing on this one big antigen, it’s like you’re making our immune system put blinders on and only be able to see that one piece of the virus.Does the severity of infection make a difference in immunity? If I had a terrible case of COVID-19 infection, will I have stronger immunity?
Absolutely. My lab here at the Bloomberg School and others have shown that people who were hospitalized, who were really sick with COVID, in many cases are believed to have greater immunity than people with less severe disease. But again, that immunity may be declining. So, even if you had a more severe case, you still should plan to get vaccinated.Some people say they would rather be infected naturally than get vaccinated. Others say they’re worried about vaccine side effects. What would you tell them?
Vaccines are tested for their safety in ways that we could never do with a natural viral infection. A lot of what’s referred to as side effects are the precise things that we experience to a greater degree when we are infected: fever, headache, malaise, gastrointestinal issues, etc. With infection, you don’t know how bad it’s going to be. By not getting vaccinated, you’re rolling the dice. You may become severely ill. You may have to be hospitalized. You may die.
There’s also the risk of long COVID. I know a teenage girl who got COVID before the vaccines were available. She didn’t have a lot of symptoms, but now she has all of the symptoms of long COVID. A year later, she is trying to maintain a somewhat normal teenage life with profound fatigue. She has never recovered fully from having COVID.
COVID-19 vaccines are a much safer way of acquiring immunity than infection, which requires exposing the person to risks from the disease
Natural infection isn't enough to protect against COVID-19, experts say. You still need a vaccine.
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Copy paste copy paste.People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.Comment
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Kung posts a study paper and you counter with articles about someone’s opinion.Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post
You are so far behindLast edited by shock; August 12, 2021, 09:18 PM.People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. -Isaac Asimov
Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded
Who else posts fake **** all day in order to maintain the acrimony? Wingnuts, that's who.Comment
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It is pretty laughable and sad at this point. He continues to cling to this troll that he has tried to create.Originally posted by shock View PostComment
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