2016-17 Bracketology

[SHOCKvalue]

It helps if you look at selection sunday ranks, not final.
2016 - KenPom 20 - Seed 11
2015 - KenPom 15 - Seed 7
2014 - KenPom 7 - Seed 1
2013 - KenPom 30 - Seed 9
2012 - KenPom 8 - Seed 5
2011 - KenPom 53 - NIT
2006 - KenPom 36 - Seed 6

But yes, KenPom has historically liked WSU a bit more than the committee.

Don't have a subscription, actually, so I'm a no-go on that info on my own regard.

And HOLY DAMN on 2012.

[Cdizzle]

It helps if you look at selection sunday ranks, not final.
2016 - KenPom 20 - Seed 11
2015 - KenPom 15 - Seed 7
2014 - KenPom 7 - Seed 1
2013 - KenPom 30 - Seed 9
2012 - KenPom 8 - Seed 5
2011 - KenPom 53 - NIT
2006 - KenPom 36 - Seed 6

But yes, KenPom has historically liked WSU a bit more than the committee.

The problem is that KenPom doesn't 'like' teams and the committee does.

[Cdizzle]

It helps if you look at selection sunday ranks, not final.
2016 - KenPom Rank 20, KenPom Equiv Seed 5, Actual Seed 11
2015 - KenPom Rank 15, KenPom Equiv Seed 4, Actual Seed 7
2014 - KenPom Rank 7, KenPom Equiv Seed 2, Actual Seed 1
2013 - KenPom Rank 30, KenPom Equiv Seed 8, Actual Seed 9
2012 - KenPom Rank 8, KenPom Equiv Seed 2, Actual Seed 5
2011 - KenPom Rank 53, KenPom Equiv Seed NIT, Actual Seed NIT
2006 - KenPom Rank 36, KenPom Equiv Seed 9, Actual Seed 7

-6, -3, +1, -1, -3, Wash, +2

Yes, KenPom has historically liked WSU a bit more than the committee, but only by a smidgeon. Last year was the one huge disagreement. Showing only the last 2 years definitely feels like cherry picking.

Meh. The sample size isn't that big. But even using your timeframe (excluding the useless NIT year), it's still an average of over 2. It would be a lot more like cherry-picking if there was a +5 on there, but we all know that isn't a thing.

[ShockerFever]

I think a 4 seed at 32-2 might be under-selling a little. Maybe even a 3 seed. People would hate on the schedule. But people would also have a tough time getting around 27 straight wins; against 2 losses to T25 teams.

It would certainly be a nice problem to have.

Absolutely. As a 7 seed right now, I would be pretty shocked to see 1 loss the rest of the way only equating to a 1 or 2 seed bump. That's just dumb.

[ShockerFever]

And HOLY DAMN on 2012.

Glad powerhouse Creighton still being in the league helped value our seeding.

[ShockerFever]

Also, comparing flash-in-the-pan mids to WSU now is not really a valid point. SFA being compared to WSU? lol really?

[Cdizzle]

Absolutely. As a 7 seed right now, I would be pretty shocked to see 1 loss the rest of the way only equating to a 1 or 2 seed bump. That's just dumb.

7 according to whom? Lunardi? He's a click-baiting toolbag that always drops mids 4 spots once we hit February.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Meh. The sample size isn't that big. But even using your timeframe (excluding the useless NIT year), it's still an average of over 2. It would be a lot more like cherry-picking if there was a +5 on there, but we all know that isn't a thing.

-4.5 the last 2 years
-0.2 the 5 years prior
-1.4 over the whole span

Yes, choosing to mention only the last 2 years is cherry picking.
Yes, using the whole timeframe, I agree there is still a difference.
That's why I said smidgeon, not OMG!!!!!!1!!!

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

7 according to whom? Lunardi? He's a click-baiting toolbag that always drops mids 4 spots once we hit February.

The bracketmatrix average is currently 8.73. 7 is within reason, but on the optimistic end of the range for the moment.

[MadaboutWu]

Including 2006 tilts things too though. -2.4 during the GM era is about 10 slots total lower which is a lot imo when you are talking about 40 at-large teams. Even -1.4 is nearly 6 slots.

[MoValley John]

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[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Including 2006 tilts things too though. -2.4 during the GM era is about 10 slots total lower which is a lot imo when you are talking about 40 at-large teams. Even -1.4 is nearly 6 slots.

Fair, but I would rather argue about a cut off point that involves 6, 7, or 8 data points than a cutoff point of only 2.

Also, it would be -2.0 during Marshall era. -2.4 involves also ignoring the NIT Championship year under Marshall.

[MadaboutWu]

Also, it would be -2.0 during Marshall era. -2.4 involves also ignoring the NIT Championship year under Marshall.

Splitting hairs now but this involves their seeding not their invites. If we included every year WSU missed the NCAA and the committee "got that right" that would bring the number down quite a lot. It is better to exclude from the set than to record it as a perfect.

[WuShock Reaper]

Brecketology with Joe Lunardi
12/22/16 - Last Updated

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/175

Wichita State (Automatic Qualifier from the MVC)

#9-Seed Projected, down two seeds

Now playing #8-Seed Virgina Tech

Has us headed to Tulsa.


P.S. Kansas is the #1-seed in the same region.

[WuShock Reaper]

"Bracket Watch: Projecting the 68-team NCAA Tournament field" - Fox Sports

By Stewart Mandel
Published December 27, 2016

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/12/27/bracket-watch-projecting-68-team-ncaa-tournament-field0.html

Wichita State (Automatic Qualifier from the MVC)

#9-Seed Projected

Now playing #8-Seed Maryland

Has us headed to Tulsa.


P.S. Kansas is the #1-seed in the same region.