2014-15 Games of Interest

[ShockerExpress]

The fact that we don't prosecute these types of actions caught on camera is INSANE. I'm not advocating a long prison term or anything too severe, but to not charge a crime of some sort with at least a fine or community service is just stupid.

If I hate a person and punch them on the sidewalk, I go to jail. "Hate crime"
If I don't hold a specific hate for the person and simply punch them during a basketball game, no charges whatsoever.

How does that make any sense?

Meh, I don't agree with that. I understand since it is on TV it makes it way easier to prosecute, no doubt. That being said, what do you think the percentage is of punches in the country that end up in legal action? 10%? 5%? People get frustrated, especially men with other men, and throw a punch. I've probably seen... idk 3 punches in my life? None of them ended in legal action. I think that is just how it is, and it doesn't really bother me. There are cases where legal action is a MUST. I don't believe this is one of them.

[molly jabali]

I wonder if the Fighting Kunkels will get tweeted about tonite.

'The Fighting Kunkels'.....love it!

[WeWillShockU]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article10505195.html

Wow - Perry Ellis doesn't deserve this. Wish he would have became a Shocker. He would be a legend after his career was over. Just another player for KU.

[jdshock]

The fact that we don't prosecute these types of actions caught on camera is INSANE. I'm not advocating a long prison term or anything too severe, but to not charge a crime of some sort with at least a fine or community service is just stupid.

If I hate a person and punch them on the sidewalk, I go to jail. "Hate crime"
If I don't hold a specific hate for the person and simply punch them during a basketball game, no charges whatsoever.

How does that make any sense?

It's tougher to litigate for these types of actions in athletics. Criminal actions would be the easiest, but prosecuting him doesn't really help the guy who got punched, so he doesn't have much of an incentive to press charges. In a civil suit, it's difficult to win. You "consent" to so much abuse just by playing the sport. Also, Arcidiacono isn't actually hurt, so he probably wouldn't get much money anyway. The consent stuff can also come into play in the criminal charges. Obviously at one extreme is boxing: Floyd Mayweather is just never going to get into legal trouble for the punches he throws in a boxing ring because the other party consents to it. Obviously in this case specifically, Arcidiacono didn't consent to getting punched in the head and it was very different from the type of interactions he did consent to.

Also, your explanations of hate crimes is a little off. You are right that if you see someone on the street that you hate, then you punch them in the head, you will get the full punishment. The difference between strong punishments and weaker punishments for the same "action" all has to do with the intent behind the action. If you see someone you hate and punch them, it's clear you intended to cause them harm. If you see someone on the street having sex with your wife, and you punch them your punishment will likely be lessened because it's a heat of the moment type thing. I find it hard to believe Gibbs went into the basketball game planning to punch Arcidiacono whenever he got the chance.

tldr: basketball is different than real life

Side note: I do think it is fully within the NCAA's ability to impose a community service requirement (I guess I don't see why they couldn't.), and it makes a lot of sense to me to impose that kind of requirement.

[fansince80s]

They have to remember time was winding down , I don't think he realized how much time was left, probably assumed had only a tic left so had to release ASAP. He didn't think had the time to dribble and dunk.

[fansince80s]

That sequence reminded me of KU Bucknell finish. Bucknell scored go ahead with few tics left , then KU long court pass to Wayne who got off a shot that missed at buzzer.

[Shock Therapy]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...e10505195.html

Wow - Perry Ellis doesn't deserve this. Wish he would have became a Shocker. He would be a legend after his career was over. Just another player for KU.

What an awful fanbase.

[molly jabali]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...e10505195.html

Wow - Perry Ellis doesn't deserve this. Wish he would have became a Shocker. He would be a legend after his career was over. Just another player for KU.

Perry is a GREAT kid, and while I wish he would have cast his lot here, I DO feel bad for him for those ignorant comments...especially by people who can't play dead.

[Dave Stalwart]

I hope they shred him so bad that he gets #angry and decides to graduate and transfer back home.

Keep roasting him, KU fans. We've got literally two wide open starting spots on the roster for him next year he could choose from. I wonder if he has ever heard of Evan Wessel and Frankamp?

[jdshock]

I hope they shred him so bad that he gets #angry and decides to graduate and transfer back home.

Keep roasting him, KU fans. We've got literally two wide open starting spots on the roster for him next year he could choose from. I wonder if he has ever heard of Evan Wessel and Frankamp?

There is just like zero percent chance this scenario happens...

That said, we'd win a lot of games with a starting line up of FVV, RB, Wessel at the 3, and then Shaq and Ellis down low.

[ShockTalk]

The fact that we don't prosecute these types of actions caught on camera is INSANE. I'm not advocating a long prison term or anything too severe, but to not charge a crime of some sort with at least a fine or community service is just stupid.

If I hate a person and punch them on the sidewalk, I go to jail. "Hate crime"
If I don't hold a specific hate for the person and simply punch them during a basketball game, no charges whatsoever.

How does that make any sense?

Should the "victim" have any say? In this case, it would appear the Villanova player would not have wanted it to be a crime. As such, I could definitely see the coach requiring some community service in addition to whatever else he might do (suspension and so forth).

[Dave Stalwart]

I'm with @Jamar Howard 4 President on this one. I've often thought it about hockey, too. I don't mind the punch-throwing fights in hockey because it's mutually accepted from both parties. It's more like a bar fight there, but when you get those high-sticking cheap shots or the aggressive boarding on a helpless guy, I start to have a problem. We're talking about a "physical specimen athlete" type guy taking a solid, heavy duty STICK and hitting another man in the teeth or the temple, or the face with it. That is flat illegal in real life.

Well, here, you've got a guy no longer going for the ball and pounding a guy in the forhead based on a temper problem and loss of control. That is a lot closer to real assault than to a basketball play. I wouldn't say that anytime a guy assaults another guy, he should get in huge legal trouble, but I would definitely argue that he should be suspended from Seton Hall for at least a while.

[tw805]

I'm with @Jamar Howard 4 President on this one. I've often thought it about hockey, too. I don't mind the punch-throwing fights in hockey because it's mutually accepted from both parties. It's more like a bar fight there, but when you get those high-sticking cheap shots or the aggressive boarding on a helpless guy, I start to have a problem. We're talking about a "physical specimen athlete" type guy taking a solid, heavy duty STICK and hitting another man in the teeth or the temple, or the face with it. That is flat illegal in real life.

Well, here, you've got a guy no longer going for the ball and pounding a guy in the forhead based on a temper problem and loss of control. That is a lot closer to real assault than to a basketball play. I wouldn't say that anytime a guy assaults another guy, he should get in huge legal trouble, but I would definitely argue that he should be suspended from Seton Hall for at least a while.

In the most technical sense, I suppose this was a battery, but it's hard to watch the replay and think "that was really dangerous." The kid made what I perceived to be a heartfelt apology, and the "victim" accepted. He should be suspended as a message of deterrence, but not for the rest of the season.

When I think of battery in a criminal context during the course of a sporting event, I think of Marty McSorley hitting Donald Brashear in the head with his stick. (They actually charged him with a felony for that.) I think of the Kermit Washington sucker punch. Both those events resulted in the victim laying on the ground and you wondered whether he would ever get up. What I saw last night was kind of a half-hearted elbow that appeared to be in frustration. I didn't feel like it was a criminal act. Should it be punished? Clearly. Should it result in the kid having a criminal record? I think not.

[kstarheel]

Transfer home Perry! We'll show you the love you deserve.

[1979Shocker]

The fact that we don't prosecute these types of actions caught on camera is INSANE. I'm not advocating a long prison term or anything too severe, but to not charge a crime of some sort with at least a fine or community service is just stupid.

If I hate a person and punch them on the sidewalk, I go to jail. "Hate crime"
If I don't hold a specific hate for the person and simply punch them during a basketball game, no charges whatsoever.

How does that make any sense?

How about during a baseball game where a pitcher throws a pitch that hits the batter (whether intentional or not)? Suddenly, the benches clear and punches are thrown. Do any of those players spend any time in jail?