Creighton to announce departure at 10 a.m. press conference tommorow

[SubGod22]

This year the Big East has eight teams in the NCAA's this year. Of those eight, three are splitting off and heading to the new catholic conference. Those three are Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette. The teams they are leaving behind that are in the Dance are: Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pitt, and Cincinnati. Do you think trading those 5 for Butler, Xavier and BJ isn't going to hurt future television contracts and bids? lololololol

I will be very curious to see how it all plays out, but I predict that Georgetown and Villanova will bear a rather large tarnish to their image - much greater than BJ, Xavier, and Butler will receive a polish.


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They were losing Louisville, Syracuse,, Notre Dame and Pitt anyway. Cincy will be out the door in the near future as well as UConn. The other side of the BE is not going to be impressive. The BE will be fine. Georgetown and Marquette as well as Nova should be near the top of the conference. Butler and Xavier are solid programs. IF Fox/NBC/CBS continue to want to compete with ESPN, then television money will be there as they all need content.

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They were losing Louisville, Syracuse,, Notre Dame and Pitt anyway. Cincy will be out the door in the near future as well as UConn. The other side of the BE is not going to be impressive. The BE will be fine. Georgetown and Marquette as well as Nova should be near the top of the conference. Butler and Xavier are solid programs. IF Fox/NBC/CBS continue to want to compete with ESPN, then television money will be there as they all need content.

Correct, all those program are leaving. I'm just clarifying that the New Big East ain't the old Big East. And it is fortuitous that Fox is making a strong move into the sports world right now because they do need content. But I suspect that the dollars they receive from advertising ain't gonna cover the dollars they are promising the new catholic conference. That is what will be interesting to watch in the future. The bottom line is this, the new catholic conference is not going to get the kind of viewership that the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, and SEC gets. It won't even be close. So how is the television contract going to remain as close as it currently is to those schools? Again, I predict the payday is going to be high at first but will go down from here. There is no scenario in my mind where I see the catholic conference getting stronger as it goes on. All I see is a couple old Big East teams with increasingly tarnished reputations each and every year going forward. In my mind, if a Valley school is worth 300k per year in television revenue, a catholic school member would be worth - at most - 2 million a year due to the regional markets and the cachet earned from the joining Big East schools.


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[DoubleJayAlum]

Money will definitely be an issue.


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Money will not be an issue.

MVC's total payout of TV $ plus NCAA tourney units is approx $300-350K. Big East's TV payout alone will eventually be between $3-4M, with NCAA units coming on top of that (those units will add up a lot faster than they do in the MVC because the new league will get more bids). On top of that, you've got increased attendance, especially for the noncon where better competition may be available, combined with some ticket price increases. The cost to marketing partners will also most certainly go up because of the increased exposure on the TV network (national as opposed to regional).

The TV markets are too valuable -- Fox isn't going anywhere. In fact, tomorrow Fox will announce that Gus Johnson will be the main pbp guy for the league. Gus ain't cheap!

Recruiting will be the issue, not money.

[DoubleJayAlum]

Dumb move for creighton.

C'mon Barkley, I know you know better.

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Money will not be an issue.

MVC's total payout of TV $ plus NCAA tourney units is approx $300-350K. Big East's TV payout alone will be between $3-4M, with NCAA units coming on top of that (those units will add up a lot faster than they do in the MVC because the new league will get more bids). On top of that, you've got increased attendance, especially for the noncon where better competition may be available, combined with some ticket price increases. The cost to marketing partners will also most certainly go up because of the increased exposure on the TV network (national as opposed to regional).

The TV markets are too valuable -- Fox isn't going anywhere. In fact, tomorrow Fox will announce that Gus Johnson will be the main pbp guy for the league. Gus ain't cheap!

Recruiting will be the issue, not money.

Beating the grass to startle the snakes.

Right on cue!


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Money will not be an issue.

MVC's total payout of TV $ plus NCAA tourney units is approx $300-350K. Big East's TV payout alone will be between $3-4M, with NCAA units coming on top of that (those units will add up a lot faster than they do in the MVC because the new league will get more bids). On top of that, you've got increased attendance, especially for the noncon where better competition may be available, combined with some ticket price increases. The cost to marketing partners will also most certainly go up because of the increased exposure on the TV network (national as opposed to regional).

The TV markets are too valuable -- Fox isn't going anywhere. In fact, tomorrow Fox will announce that Gus Johnson will be the main pbp guy for the league. Gus ain't cheap!

Recruiting will be the issue, not money.

Fox has plenty of money to start things off right. Everything will be rosy at first. I don't think it will last though because where are the national brand names? You must agree that Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette's names will be tarnished not playing alongside Syracuse, Connecticut, Cincinatti, Uconn, Louisville, and Notre Dame anymore? All those schools are going to have their brands bolstered moving to better conferences while the three that went to the catholic league are going to get downgraded.


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I've already made the prediction that the new catholic conference will net 2-3 NCAA bids each year with the ocassoinal 4 bid year like the MVC had in 2006. I just see absolutely no way in hell that the league brand will be worth 3-5 million in television revenue in a couple years. I don't see any way in hell. Perhaps Fox will overpay for a while in hopes of developing something. What I really see is Georgetown somehow finding a way to escape the league and play basketball with the ACC. They are probably dreaming about that right now. If I was a Georgetown fan I would be crying my eyes out in sorrow with the same volume of tears that BJ fan is currently crying in joy.


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[DoubleJayAlum]

I've already made the prediction that the new catholic conference will net 2-3 NCAA bids each year with the ocassoinal 4 bid year like the MVC had in 2006. I just see absolutely no way in hell that the league brand will be worth 3-5 million in television revenue in a couple years. I don't see any way in hell. Perhaps Fox will overpay for a while in hopes of developing something. What I really see is Georgetown somehow finding a way to escape the league and play basketball with the ACC. They are probably dreaming about that right now. If I was a Georgetown fan I would be crying my eyes out in sorrow with the same volume of tears that BJ fan is currently crying in joy.


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The Big East required a pledging of media rights like the Big XII put into place after Nebraska bolted a few years ago. The period for the BE was 10 years.

A pledge of rights makes a departure by any team rather unlikely as the conference they move to would not be allowed to broadcast that school's games.

[cjp27]

Let's all admit that if we were offered the opportunity to join the new Big East that 99% of our fanbase would be jumping for joy. I don't blame Creighton one bit. They will most definitely have their work cut out for them to be more than a middle of the pack team, but how do you not make that move? No, it won't be an ACC, Big 10 or Big 12, but it's a pretty darn good league. A big step up from the Valley. If it the new Big East ever comes calling for WSU, or the MWC for that matter, WSU better jump for it without even batting a eye.

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The Big East required a pledging of media rights like the Big XII put into place after Nebraska bolted a few years ago. The period for the BE was 10 years.

A pledge of rights makes a departure by any team rather unlikely as the conference they move to would not be allowed to broadcast that school's games.

Contracts such as these are made to be broken. And if all else fails, you just pay. I bet there are stipulations for a school such as Georgetown to leave if things aren't rosy in a couple years. Especially considering they are one of the original founders of the league. Many call the new league the "Georgetown League" already. I suspect that Georgetown will do exactly what they wish in order to stay relevant in the BCS world.


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Let's all admit that if we were offered the opportunity to join the new Big East that 99% of our fanbase would be jumping for joy. I don't blame Creighton one bit. They will most definitely have their work cut out for them to be more than a middle of the pack team, but how do you not make that move? No, it won't be an ACC, Big 10 or Big 12, but it's a pretty darn good league. A big step up from the Valley. If it the new Big East ever comes calling for WSU, or the MWC for that matter, WSU better jump for it without even batting a eye.

Of course! The Shockers would be gone in a heartbeat, most of my comments are intended to make clear what kind of conference we are talking about. This ain't your daddy's Big East. Sometimes I fantasize about the Shockers playing in some other **** conference just so I don't have to see the same **** schools the following year. I simply cannot stomach any more games against NIU, Drake, SIU-C, Eville, Indy St. etc. etc. eckfrickencetra.

BJ might find themselves in some trouble in the future, but it will be fun while it lasted at least at the start. If a couple of the top schools somehow bolt for another conference, things aren't going to be as rosy. But again, change can be fun and it is an opportunity you can't pass up. Enjoy it while it lasts BJ's.

Things are so unstable right now though.. I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole frackin' NCAA collapse with the BCS schools creating a new super-league. There is sooo much money and things are so fluid right now. You hear of a team joining a new conference only to hear they changed their mind 2 days later.


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[Veritas]

I can't blame CU for leaving, but it's not without risk.

-- Recruiting: The C7 (NBE) plays a different style than the MoVal. Not better or worse - just different. CU has had a lot of success recruiting in the midwest and farm country. They will need to expand their geography and recruit a different type of player. Where will they find that player? Will that player want to play at CU?
-- Coaching: Big MC didn't exactly have a wonderful record coaching in a more fluid offensive league such as the Big XII. He didn't even think his son could play for Iowa State! How will his coaching and recruiting hold up in the NBE?
-- Geography: The AD must be going nuts trying to figure out how to move the "olympic sport" teams all over the map. Additionally, how many CU fans will be driving to games as they do now?

They are receiving an additionall $3m per year with a pretty good portion eaten up by travel costs. Next year, they could finish in the 3-5 MoVal spot if Little MC goes pro. With that same team they'd probably finish lower half of the NBE. Will Omaha fans grow impatient and throw their allegiance to UNL?

The B/B sports show stated how badly West Virginia has done in the Big XII in both football and basketball and how truly isolated they are from other Big XII teams. Will CU suffer a similar fate?

Curious to all CU fans: Would they rather stay in the Valley if the MoVal placed an increased minimum spending level for basketball programs thereby enforcing schools to invest in their program or leave? That move could free up sports for serious minded basketball programs making the MoVal stronger.

It certainly has some risk...

[AZ Shocker]

No way he goes PRO and leaves Dad "stranded" moving forward to the new conference. Expect a huge announcement of McD finishing out his senior year at Creighton. That's a no-brainer. The only "wildcard" is if Creighton goes against the norm and actually wins a bunch in the NCAA tourney and recruiting a big-time stud recruiting class.

[pinstripers]

I dunno. If he has a chance to go early, he might leave. If his game doesn't translate to the new conference, his stock would surely drop. Do you wanna take that chance?

[proshox]

I am only pissed that WSU let them get the double this year.