Creighton to announce departure at 10 a.m. press conference tommorow

[pogo]

That banner should be worth some big bucks to a cretin fanatic. Think of some jay having that in his jaycave and saying this is the banner that hung in the Chuck.

[ShockerPrez]

If WSU needs someone to take down that Creighton banner and get it in the trash can I'm available.

Wear gloves.

Or we could have monkeys throw poo at it until it falls down.

[jrschh]

OK I was just wanting some clarification from some of you...will we struggle and get beat down in the new BE? Lucky to be in the top half? Or is this league going to be very similar to the Valley? Maybe a small step up? In the past 15 years we have never finished worse than 4th in the Valley so you can't have it both ways. Yes there are risks to this move but they are far out weighed by the positives. As for marketable teams...G'Town? Marquette? Nova? St Johns? I mean these are big time schools. On top of that Butler has been solid for 15 years and Xavier as well. Like it or not Creighton has been the most consistently good school in the Valley for 15 years and you guys say they will be a bottom dweller but the conference wont be very good? Thats contradicting everything you are saying. Sorry to the majority of the posters on this board that have made solid posts but some are ridiculous.
BTW I post here because I do have some friends that played for WSU back in the early 2000's and I cheer for your team but reading this makes it hard sometimes.

Like Kung WU said, we really don't know. However, it's fun to speculate.

Personally, I think the BE will definitely be better than the MVC and I don't blame Creighton for taking this opportunity. I also agree that the BE is better specifically because of the schools you listed. They are big time schools w/ great basketball traditions.

However, why do you think you all will have success? What you did in the past means nothing regarding what you will do in the future. It’s something to be proud of, but it’s not going to win any games for you next year or the year after that.

Yes, I think Creighton will struggle next year in the new BE, to a certain extent I think they would’ve struggled a bit in the MVC, too.

Look at the teams you listed, G'Town, Marquette, Nova, St Johns and Butler. Those are 5 quality teams. These teams also bring in great recruiting classes (I think Marquette is #10 on ESPN). W/ the loss of GE and Gibbs, who do you guys have that can fill those rolls, especially GE? Since DM isn't getting any love on the NBA draft boards, he'll probably be back for you all. W/out his scoring ability, you guys really would be hurting against those more athletic, yet talented teams. However, he will be gone after next year, so what will you do then?

This year I kept hearing how this was supposed to be one of the best Creighton teams you all have had for a long while. Though, against WSU, we beat you at home, you took as at your place and the Championship game was only a 3 point win. Why do I bring this up? This was supposed to be WSU's "rebuilding" year and yet our season was pretty even w/ Creighton's best team. What would Creighton have done if GE didn’t shut down the paint in the Championship game? You won’t have him against those BE athletic teams who like to power it down low.

Now, I haven’t paid a lot of attention to Creighton, but when you get past Chatman, Manigat and McDermott (and maybe Wragges if he learns to diversify his game) who do you guys have that will compete against those teams? I’ve only listed 3 (maybe 4) players. It takes 5 to field a team and I don’t think those guys will be able to play 40 minutes, night-in and night-out, in the BE.

I think even DM will struggle against the likes of G'town and such with physical and athletic power forwards. Yes, he hit his avg against us at home and lit us up at your place, but I think TC had a tall order to fill giving up 6 inches (this isn't a slight on TC's ability, but 6 inches is a lot). DM struggled in the Championship game when Hall guarded him and last year Smith and Hall relatively shut him down (vs his season avgs.) Next year, he’s going to see that night in and night out, not just when he plays WSU.

These are just my thoughts; take them w/ a grain of salt if you’d like.

[Shockeriffic]

I dunno. If he has a chance to go early, he might leave. If his game doesn't translate to the new conference, his stock would surely drop. Do you wanna take that chance?

I think he stays. My belief is that he won't get a first round guarantee and that he can succeed in the Big East. Look at the style that a lot of Big East teams play. Most teams play the same slow grinding pace he's use to in the Valley. He's going to have to deal with better athletes but he's good enough to handle that.

[cujays]

You bring up very valid points and I think we will probably struggle next year losing the players you mentioned. Do I think we would win the MVC next year? I dunno but it would be possible. Will be win the BE next year? Most likely we have no shot. I think we will have an easier time recruiting better talent as the hardest thing to overcome for a team in the valley is that we play in the valley and rarely on TV. My post was to point out that people were saying this conference wasn't that much better and than saying we wont be able to compete. That makes no sense. I understand that the past doesn't automatically mean we will be good in the future but its a pretty good indicator of how we should perform. We lost Buford, Sears, Korver, Funk and Tolliver and we always were able to stay in the top 4 of the conference...usually in the top 3.

Could Doug struggle more against BE teams? That is possible...although when we have played BCS teams he averages something like 27 pts and 8 rebs a game so who knows. I dont argue any of your points because they could all be true but I do think we have shown we can lose some great players and still not drop significantly.

[WstateU]

Wear gloves.

Or we could have monkeys throw poo at it until it falls down.

[RandomJaysFan]

Doug is a goner.

As for what we're going to do, we will have to adapt. If that means going .500 and finishing 7-11 in the conference next year, then so be it.

As far as after that, you don't know that we'll suck any more than us being sure we won't. It remains to be seen what sort of guys we do get. We had Russell Westbrook until the last few days of recruiting when UCLA popped up with a scholie, and his dad overruled him when he told him he was coming here anyway because 'you're not going to turn down an offer from UCLA for a midmajor school'. Don't believe me, there was an article in ESPN the Magazine a few years back after he blew up where he said as much.

One change like that can help make a program for years. Can we get guys like that that we lose now? I'm expecting that's a yes. But it's all up in the air. At the same time, why should we NOT be looking at a half full glass?

[Mr. Obvious]

Doug is a goner.

As for what we're going to do, we will have to adapt. If that means going .500 and finishing 7-11 in the conference next year, then so be it.

As far as after that, you don't know that we'll suck any more than us being sure we won't. It remains to be seen what sort of guys we do get. We had Russell Westbrook until the last few days of recruiting when UCLA popped up with a scholie, and his dad overruled him when he told him he was coming here anyway because 'you're not going to turn down an offer from UCLA for a midmajor school'. Don't believe me, there was an article in ESPN the Magazine a few years back after he blew up where he said as much.

One change like that can help make a program for years. Can we get guys like that that we lose now? I'm expecting that's a yes. But it's all up in the air. At the same time, why should we NOT be looking at a half full glass?

I think Creighton will prosper in the Big East. Alot of truth to the "mid-major label" = lost recruits. Its happened to the Shocks and everyone else in the Valley. People can bag on Creighton all they want but they do have some sharp dudes up there. Wish them well.

[_kai_]

I go to Thunder games occasionally, and one time during warm ups, Russ saw me wearing my WSU jacket and came over to me and told me that I should thank the heavens he didn't go to Creighton. That his crowning collegiate moment was when Creighton offered him a scholarship. That he regretted playing in Los Angeles, because his dream was to play in Omaha, and now he'll never get a chance to play in the state of Nebraska, ever.

[shockmonster]

I think Creighton will prosper in the Big East. Alot of truth to the "mid-major label" = lost recruits. Its happened to the Shocks and everyone else in the Valley. People can bag on Creighton all they want but they do have some sharp dudes up there. Wish them well.

Creighton may prosper and "Mid major label may = lost recruits". But the people who are saying that they don't think that Creighton will have high prosperity have a good debate viewpoint too. Afterall, the "major" label hasn't worked for Providence, De Paul, or Seton Hall in recruiting players.

[RandomJaysFan]

I go to Thunder games occasionally, and one time during warm ups, Russ saw me wearing my WSU jacket and came over to me and told me that I should thank the heavens he didn't go to Creighton. That his crowning collegiate moment was when Creighton offered him a scholarship. That he regretted playing in Los Angeles, because his dream was to play in Omaha, and now he'll never get a chance to play in the state of Nebraska, ever.

Umm...ok. Though I expect better quality humor from the chief mod.

Nowhere did I say his life would have been better had he come, or that he made a bad decision. He never would have gone 4th overall if he had.

However I think you and I can both agree that CU would have been given a tremendous boost had he not bailed. I wouldn't freak out and call it 'altering the arc of the university' like the UNI tools do about Doug, but that's a pretty serious near miss.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I go to Thunder games occasionally, and one time during warm ups, Russ saw me wearing my WSU jacket and came over to me and told me that I should thank the heavens he didn't go to Creighton. That his crowning collegiate moment was when Creighton offered him a scholarship. That he regretted playing in Los Angeles, because his dream was to play in Omaha, and now he'll never get a chance to play in the state of Nebraska, ever.

Venomous & straight to the point. You sir receive two thumbs up

[jrschh]

Doug is a goner.

As for what we're going to do, we will have to adapt. If that means going .500 and finishing 7-11 in the conference next year, then so be it.

As far as after that, you don't know that we'll suck any more than us being sure we won't. It remains to be seen what sort of guys we do get. We had Russell Westbrook until the last few days of recruiting when UCLA popped up with a scholie, and his dad overruled him when he told him he was coming here anyway because 'you're not going to turn down an offer from UCLA for a midmajor school'. Don't believe me, there was an article in ESPN the Magazine a few years back after he blew up where he said as much.

One change like that can help make a program for years. Can we get guys like that that we lose now? I'm expecting that's a yes. But it's all up in the air. At the same time, why should we NOT be looking at a half full glass?

As a Creighton fan you SHOULD look at the glass half full. However, as opposing fans, it's our obligation to look at the glass half empty, for you all. :)

If DM goes, you all are going to be in trouble. However, luckily for you, I think you are wrong. He'll be there next year. If anything, to test his chops in the BE and try to improve his draft stock from his current low first round/second round projections by most draft boards.

Being in the BE can help your recruiting. However, you have to win to attract those recruits. Just ask USF, Rutgers, Providence, Seton Hall how consistent their recruiting has been the last few years while they've been in THE Big East. Most top recruits don't want to play at an average school in a good conference. They want to be on a winning team.

Unless GM can do a great sales job for Creighton while they are having a couple of down years, I don't see those types of recruits flocking to Omaha.

With that in mind, how did he do in recruiting at Iowa State? I can see similarities between your program and Iowa State while he was there. (Middle level team in a good conference) I honestly don't know, but I do know he left Iowa State to go to a non-BCS conf. So either he couldn't recruit those type of guys to play in that conference. Or, he couldn't coach those types of recruits to play well in that conference. So, I guess I don't know why you would expect something different now.

[Shockeriffic]

With that in mind, how did he do in recruiting at Iowa State? I can see similarities between your program and Iowa State while he was there. (Middle level team in a good conference) I honestly don't know, but I do know he left Iowa State to go to a non-BCS conf. So either he couldn't recruit those type of guys to play in that conference. Or, he couldn't coach those types of recruits to play well in that conference. So, I guess I don't know why you would expect something different now.

After Iowa State let him go, Hoiberg came in, looked at the talent level and welcomed every transfer he could find.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Being in the BE can help your recruiting. However, you have to win to attract those recruits. Just ask USF, Rutgers, Providence, Seton Hall how consistent their recruiting has been the last few years while they've been in THE Big East. Most top recruits don't want to play at an average school in a good conference. They want to be on a winning team.

Unless GM can do a great sales job for Creighton while they are having a couple of down years, I don't see those types of recruits flocking to Omaha.

With that in mind, how did he do in recruiting at Iowa State? I can see similarities between your program and Iowa State while he was there. (Middle level team in a good conference) I honestly don't know, but I do know he left Iowa State to go to a non-BCS conf. So either he couldn't recruit those type of guys to play in that conference. Or, he couldn't coach those types of recruits to play well in that conference. So, I guess I don't know why you would expect something different now.

There's a lot of truth to this. It seems schools like DePaul usually have pretty decent recruiting classes, with 3 and occasionally a 4 star recruits, but they chronically underachieve with them (is coaching the cause? I don't know). I'd love to see what our HCGM could do if we got consistently solid 3s and some 4s. This pales in comparison to their conference brethren, with consistent 4s and 5s. I see no reason to expect Creighton to have the same recruiting results as Gtown, but more likely something similar to DePaul and Seton Hall, especially at first. This is why I think it will be tough for Creighton to see much early success in the Big East. And if the throng of drunk UNL football fans don't stick with them in the early rocky road, it will be pretty difficult to find relevance in their new league long term.