Creighton to announce departure at 10 a.m. press conference tommorow

[jdmee]

As I read here and on other message boards, I don't think many people understand the dynamics in play. The additional $3mm is the starting point of the additional revenue. It is not a static number. Every other revenue stream grows as well. And the growth has the potential to be almost exponential. The amount Creighton gets from Nike or whomever supplies their uniforms goes up. The money they receive in advertising goes up, corporate sponsorship goes up, ad rates go up. Yes, ticket prices will go up but so does revenue from every source. The increase is not because Creighton is somehow this national brand, but because they will be playing in some of the biggest cities in America. Money will not be the question, whether or not they can compete, will.

But instead of being one of, if not the top, spender in the league, they will be lower/middle tier spender in the league.

[SB Shock]

They will be getting a lot more money in the new conference. No need to worry.

not that much - they are going to have to increase spending by 50% to 100% of their present levels to play with the big boys.

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Money will definitely be an issue.

As it stands, BJ is leveraged to the hilt with whatever assets they own, and they don't own very much. They are moving to a conference where 7 of the members have grown very fat on large amounts of revenue from various sources including the large metropolitan areas from which they hail from. BJ on the other hand has been sending delegates to Wichita on a continual basis (they just came down to Wichita again last summer) to inspect each and every aspect of Koch Arena - making sure they are well abreast of any changes we make to our building and drooling the entire time. I personally have no idea why they keep coming down, they obviously have very little leeway with regards to modifications to their rented arena. Perhaps they are making sure their locker rooms are painted as nicely and their urinal cakes are just as fresh smelling? In a nutshell.. they are desperate and envious.

Whatever revenue BJ receives from the television contract will be payed out over the entire course of the year. BJ on the other hand will have to cover all the travel costs associated with conference change immediately. That means they will have to fly all their programs to the east coast on an extra 250k per month. A chartered plane runs around 80k per round trip. You do the math. They will also have to greatly increase their recruiting budget if they hope to be somewhat competitive. They have a lot of obstacles to overcome - weak brand name, bad regional location, etc. etc. I am assuming they will be cutting corners in this category at first and that is exactly where you need to not be cutting corners.

Of course in the new conference there will be a potential for greater revenue earning ability, but that will come in time as well as success, both of which will not be in hand when they start out. BJ MUST get an influx of cash from their "donors" immediately. The new money will not be coming fast enough to cover their bills much less improve their program.

If WSU was in the same position as BJ, we would have the money in house to make whatever improvements necessary to immediately play at "their level". Of course HCGM would have the private jet flying down south 24/7 to secure the balla's necessary to slow Gtown's roll. BJ I suspect will see how Suburban Horse (who thought up that genius title?) flies in the new Catholic 7 league.


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[Aargh]

Knock out Marshall's first two years. He's aware that was a major rebuild. After that he's an NCAA at-large team 50% of the time. He's never gotten an auto, but he doesn't need one to get in. He's getting better seeds than he got as a perennial auto at Winthrop. One of the years he didn't get an at large, he got an NIT championship. Next year looks like another team that could get an at-large.

The MVC getting weaker isn't good for WSU's coaching opportunity, but I think Marshall is fairly happy and fairly comfortable at WSU. Maybe he'll never win a NC "at this level", but seeing what Butler and VCU have done in the NCAA's, I'll bet Marshall wants to prove he can do something similar. And that he believes he can do that at WSU. He appears to have happy players, happy players' parents, good academics and great graduation rates. Recruiting should continue to improve.

There's not much incentive to leave. Only a school where FB is clearly #1 (and the main emphasis of the athletic department) can afford any significant pay increase, and that may not be what Marshall is looking for. He's got a very comfortable future and potential retirement staring him straight in the face. He's around 50 and that stuff starts seeming more important at that age.

[Steeleshocker]

Winthrop kept going to the tournament. Marshall is now here.

Yeah, and he always had to win his conference tourney to make it, and was always a double digit seed.

Conversely, the two years 3G has made it at WSU he didn't win the conference tourney and was a single digit seed. He won't bolt unless that capability disappears.

[SubGod22]

Winthrop kept going to the tournament. Marshall is now here.

Can you really NOT see the difference? The panic on this board from some has been ridiculous. Yes, the Valley is weaker without CU. But it's still going to be a top 10 conference. We're still going to be in line for higher seeds than Winthrop ever dreamed of. There's a HUGE F'n difference between the two.

[SubGod22]

And the 3mil a year is on the low end of the TV estimate. There have been some reports a week or so ago that the money may have been increased in order to avoid any competition from other networks. Those reports had the TV money anywhere from 4 to 5 mil per. There will also be much more exposure and publicity. There will be more tournament credits. Money will not be an issue.

[Steeleshocker]

Something that hasn't been mentioned is that the A-10 may drop behind the MVC after the top teams are raided. In fact, the "American Conference" or whatever it is called will probably drop behind the MVC after UConn and Cincinnati are picked up by the bigger conferences. While Creighton is moving up, a few other conferences are falling apart in a much more critical way.

Not that I wouldn't appreciate a move to the MWC.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Winthrop kept going to the tournament. Marshall is now here.

Son,

Marshall was making 270k at Winthrop and driving in an Avis rental for recruiting trips. Now he is making 1.6 million and flying in a private jet. BJ has absolutely no bearing on the future of Wichita State. It never has and it never will. The MVC is a **** conference - always has been since the 90's and will forever be. Gregg Marshall came to coach at Wichita State, not coach in the MVC.


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[C0|dB|00ded]

And the 3mil a year is on the low end of the TV estimate. There have been some reports a week or so ago that the money may have been increased in order to avoid any competition from other networks. Those reports had the TV money anywhere from 4 to 5 mil per. There will also be much more exposure and publicity. There will be more tournament credits. Money will not be an issue.

Money will definitely be an issue.


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[DwShock]

Dumb move for creighton. Really bad for the Valley. It's too bad college is about money and not tradition any more. Too much greed in this world.

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And I don't see the new catholic conference getting stronger as the years go on, I see their biggest media payday as the first couple of years. There is only one - maybe two - standalone marketable teams in the league and that is going to be very evident when the majority of the Big East's NCAA tourney schools move to other BCS conferences. BJ is smart to take the leap, even if they are stuck in a conference that is eventually only slightly better than the MVC. At least it's a change. Now Gtown and Villanova on the other hand... dumber than **** move. They have ONLY one direction to go in this deal and that is down.


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[jdmee]

Can you really NOT see the difference? The panic on this board from some has been ridiculous. Yes, the Valley is weaker without CU. But it's still going to be a top 10 conference. We're still going to be in line for higher seeds than Winthrop ever dreamed of. There's a HUGE F'n difference between the two.

I'm not panicked about Marshall leaving. He will continue to have the support here to do what he needs to do to make this a top notched program. That is what will keep him here, not just the fact that he makes the NCAA tournament every year. He would still be doing that at Winthrop. That was my point.

Is it still going to be a top 10 conference? I see both of the Big East conferences being better than the MVC. That drops us to 10 right there. Will we be able to stay above the WCC? That depends on who the MVC is able to add. Does the MVC not get the top programs they are targeting and end up getting the dregs?

Do you see the A10 standing pat? Who are they going to target and get?

[jdmee]

Son,

Marshall was making 270k at Winthrop and driving in an Avis rental for recruiting trips. Now he is making 1.6 million and flying in a private jet. BJ has absolutely no bearing on the future of Wichita State. It never has and it never will. The MVC is a **** conference - always has been since the 90's and will forever be. Gregg Marshall came to coach at Wichita State, not coach in the MVC.


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And all those are reasons more than just "IF WE CONTINUE TO MAKE THE TOURNAMENT EVERY YEAR"

[C0|dB|00ded]

This year the Big East has eight teams in the NCAA's this year. Of those eight, three are splitting off and heading to the new catholic conference. Those three are Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette. The teams they are leaving behind that are in the Dance are: Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pitt, and Cincinnati. Do you think trading those 5 for Butler, Xavier and BJ isn't going to hurt future television contracts and bids? lololololol

I will be very curious to see how it all plays out, but I predict that Georgetown and Villanova will bear a rather large tarnish to their image - much greater than BJ, Xavier, and Butler will receive a polish.


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