NIL Collective

[Maizerunner08]

I don't think DB was wrong to put blame on the NCAA for not being clear on their rules, but I think he is wrong for blaming the WSU response to NIL on the NCAA. He said in this article that he recognized that this was going to be an issue before the football season. I don't understand why there wasn't a quick decision to change our policy once that became clear. It's not like NIL collectives just popped up, they've all been very public since the NIL ruling changed.

Also, the NCAA rule said schools have to follow state regulations. Kansas has left it up to the schools, which means the school can be involved in creating the collective. You're telling me he had no idea that KU had an NIL collective in Wichita until just recently?

This alone is a demonstration of his lack of awareness. You didn't even have to be someone who was "in the know" to hear about all these NIL collectives starting last year. Why was that not a sign to our leadership that we need to get moving? Insane.

[ShockBand]

So if we (as in WSU fandom and boosters) were to dive into assembling an NIL warchest, what do you think the annual funding would need to be? Wouldn't it have to be 2-3 million just for mens BB alone to even be somewhat in the game? And then how much for athletes in the other sports, presuming we would like those sports to be successful as well?

And then how much will still need to be donated to SASO just to keep all the existing stuff in operation? Schollies, travel, facilities, and salaries will still cost money. Now pile onto this how much support is getting pulled (mine included, I'm out for now on season tickets and SASO donations, though I don't matter much since my total annual input runs under $2000) and how badly will all this fracture? How quickly? If the patient is Shocker Athletics, the disease is the current administrative regime, and the cure is withholding donations and ticket purchases, will the cure kill the patient?

[giskard]

So if we (as in WSU fandom and boosters) were to dive into assembling an NIL warchest, what do you think the annual funding would need to be? Wouldn't it have to be 2-3 million just for mens BB alone to even be somewhat in the game? And then how much for athletes in the other sports, presuming we would like those sports to be successful as well?

And then how much will still need to be donated to SASO just to keep all the existing stuff in operation? Schollies, travel, facilities, and salaries will still cost money. Now pile onto this how much support is getting pulled (mine included, I'm out for now on season tickets and SASO donations, though I don't matter much since my total annual input runs under $2000) and how badly will all this fracture? How quickly? If the patient is Shocker Athletics, the disease is the current administrative regime, and the cure is withholding donations and ticket purchases, will the cure kill the patient?

[Maizerunner08]

So if we (as in WSU fandom and boosters) were to dive into assembling an NIL warchest, what do you think the annual funding would need to be? Wouldn't it have to be 2-3 million just for mens BB alone to even be somewhat in the game? And then how much for athletes in the other sports, presuming we would like those sports to be successful as well?

And then how much will still need to be donated to SASO just to keep all the existing stuff in operation? Schollies, travel, facilities, and salaries will still cost money. Now pile onto this how much support is getting pulled (mine included, I'm out for now on season tickets and SASO donations, though I don't matter much since my total annual input runs under $2000) and how badly will all this fracture? How quickly? If the patient is Shocker Athletics, the disease is the current administrative regime, and the cure is withholding donations and ticket purchases, will the cure kill the patient?

Chicken or the egg argument it seems like.

Can't have success unless people invest but the only true way fans can demonstrate their displeasure is withholding funds.
It seems like fans are no longer going to give WSU the benefit of the doubt, so to your point, the cure might kill the patient.
However, as we saw last week on the gofundme, there is an appetite for change. So making a leadership change might energize, at least a portion of the fan base. Is it enough? Probably not. Ultimately, winning cures a lot of ills.

[SubGod22]

Right now, we need to find someone to throw some NIL money to Addison and Sydney on the softball team.

Definitely need something for basketball, but I don't know how much. We don't have to compete with the top levels as we weren't recruiting those kids anyway, but something will have to be done.

Maybe we can throw some money at a couple of pitchers as well to pair with the bats we have. That's the only thing keeping us from being competitive with the best of the best right now.

But men's basketball is the athletic face of the university, even if we are a softball school now, and something needs to be dine to get competitive.

[ShockerFever]

Checking…

yup, Boatright still sucks.

[Maizerunner08]

NIL makes TV money that much of a bigger deal. SEC and BIG 10 automatically have another leg-up on everyone else. I think you'll start seeing the Big East and A10 really struggle to compete with the football sponsored conferences moving forward.

[shocker43]

Right now, we need to find someone to throw some NIL money to Addison and Sydney on the softball team.

Definitely need something for basketball, but I don't know how much. We don't have to compete with the top levels as we weren't recruiting those kids anyway, but something will have to be done.

Maybe we can throw some money at a couple of pitchers as well to pair with the bats we have. That's the only thing keeping us from being competitive with the best of the best right now.

But men's basketball is the athletic face of the university, even if we are a softball school now, and something needs to be dine to get competitive.

Have we had issues with good softball players leaving? I know NIL changes that quite a bit, and these two seem like generational talents, so I'm sure they will have people coming after them.

Good news, we have a collective that is supposedly being announced this week and apparently a second collective being made?

[NCAABound]

Have we had issues with good softball players leaving? I know NIL changes that quite a bit, and these two seem like generational talents, so I'm sure they will have people coming after them.

Good news, we have a collective that is supposedly being announced this week and apparently a second collective being made?

But will said collectives have any money?

[Stickboy46]

But will said collectives have any money?

Right .. the members of the collective are infinitely more important than the number of collectives lol

[shocker43]

Right .. the members of the collective are infinitely more important than the number of collectives lol

The point wasn't that there are multiple, the point is that there is progress.

[SubGod22]

Have we had issues with good softball players leaving? I know NIL changes that quite a bit, and these two seem like generational talents, so I'm sure they will have people coming after them.

Good news, we have a collective that is supposedly being announced this week and apparently a second collective being made?

We haven't, but it's only a matter of time before someone is willing to offer the likes of those two to jump ship. And we struggle for top notch pitching so it would be nice if it benefited us there.

Will wait and see what these collectives actually have to offer.

[ShauXTyme]

So, just for fun. Let’s say the NIL was in place last year. Based on knowledge at the time, Etienne gets $250K, Council gets $200K, Udeze gets $150K, Porter gets $150K, etc.

How would YOU, as the coach, handle the team?

[Maizerunner08]

Going to be some interesting conversations between coaches and players moving forward.

Coach: Player X, I'm afraid your NIL funds have been reallocated. So you can play for "free" or move on elsewhere.
Player X: Uhhh...

[shoxlax]

Right now, we need to find someone to throw some NIL money to Addison and Sydney on the softball team.

Definitely need something for basketball, but I don't know how much. We don't have to compete with the top levels as we weren't recruiting those kids anyway, but something will have to be done.

Maybe we can throw some money at a couple of pitchers as well to pair with the bats we have. That's the only thing keeping us from being competitive with the best of the best right now.

But men's basketball is the athletic face of the university, even if we are a softball school now, and something needs to be dine to get competitive.

Damn straight to all of that.

If we had a great pitcher, she could sign an NIL with Vornado Fans.