Russia-Ukraine War

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Play nice boys. You know you're dealing with a 200lb neutered Rottweiler wearing a muzzle, a bark collar, and a Prince Albert right through the ol' red rocket (purely decorative). Rest assured I'm given' you the facts straight up with NO chaser.

[wufan]

The thing I keep coming back to is the end game here...a few scenarios:

1. Russia eventually just demolishes Ukraine... Does the US do anything outside of what's currently being done? Do we just allow Russia to run Ukraine indefinitely?
2. Russia claims pseudo victory and controls part of Ukraine but not all...same question as above
3. Ukraine fends off low-morale troops and Russia quietly retreats (this seems unlikely). Does the US keep sanctions in place indefinitely? After X years? Does everyone forget what happened?
4. US gets directly involved and all hell breaks loose. Bad things happen. There is full-on war in Europe with Russia directly threatens the US.

I just don't see how things can ever go back to normal now unless we're going to stick our fingers in our ears and pretend everything is unicorns and rainbows.

Russia attacking border countries, and no one giving a **** about Ukraine is the historic normal. The only question is if we want to get into a European war to uphold the last 30 years of pretending Ukraine was a sovereign country and Russia wasn’t a threat.

[pinstripers]

I'm out of another thread that Cold has hijacked with his idiocy.

talks through his ass regardless of subject

[NCAABound]

I'm out of another thread that Cold has hijacked with his idiocy.

[MoValley John]

The range on the Leaf is horrible. They aren't good looking and charge slow. Also, $7,000 is an anomoly for a used Leaf, they are generally much higher. That said, once the price of a used Leaf gets into the $7,000 range, ev will slowly become affordable to almost everyone. Keep in mind, the car shown is a 2015, over 100k miles, and wrecked twice. The range is likely much less than 100 miles, so while it would more than work as a commuter, it can't work if you are in the car, spending the day running errands.

[ShockerFever]

I wouldn’t pay $28k for a Nissan if it was a turbojet.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Screenshot_20220309-165248_DuckDuckGo.jpg Don't think I'd buy this.

Then get ready to shell out $8k to $10k for a new battery, that is, wait for it...produced using fossil fuels.

[MoValley John]

Screenshot_20220309-165248_DuckDuckGo.jpg Don't think I'd buy this.

[MoValley John]

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...c-cars?slide=7



Have faith in the power of competition and innovation brother!

1. 2022 Nissan Leaf S 40 kW | $28,365



A $4,245 price cut for 2022 makes the Nissan Leaf the least-expensive new electric car you can buy, not that you'd know it from the onboard experience. The Leaf's upscale interior and posh ride make it feel more expensive than several pricier cars on this list. The cheapest model comes with a 40-kWh battery that provides the Leaf with 149 miles of range. That's nothing spectacular, but again, it's better than some of the other cars on this list. The Leaf isn't a sporty drive, though, and its charge times aren't great, but considering the price and the amenities, the Nissan Leaf S offers the best we can hope for in a budget car: tremendous value.

Full Disclosure: I had NO IDEA prices had dropped this far already... Rejoice!

That is less expensive than a used Leaf. And for $7,000. You can get a used, two accident Leaf. Not sure of the dependability of a decade old, twice wrecked Nissan Leaf.



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That is, at a bare minimum, a decade out. I'm a big proponent of ev, but I do know that we are 10 years out on being able to ramp up sustainable production, which puts us⁵0.00 at a minimum of 15 years before there is a supply of affordable used ev's for the working poor. It's very ironic that the party that purportedly speaks for the poor, is now actively and intentionally hurting the poor with reckless energy policy.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/...c-cars?slide=7

The Cheapest New Electric Cars You Can Buy Right Now


As range goes up and prices come down, we have your guide to cheap electric vehicles.

Have faith in the power of competition and innovation brother!

1. 2022 Nissan Leaf S 40 kW | $28,365



A $4,245 price cut for 2022 makes the Nissan Leaf the least-expensive new electric car you can buy, not that you'd know it from the onboard experience. The Leaf's upscale interior and posh ride make it feel more expensive than several pricier cars on this list. The cheapest model comes with a 40-kWh battery that provides the Leaf with 149 miles of range. That's nothing spectacular, but again, it's better than some of the other cars on this list. The Leaf isn't a sporty drive, though, and its charge times aren't great, but considering the price and the amenities, the Nissan Leaf S offers the best we can hope for in a budget car: tremendous value.

Full Disclosure: I had NO IDEA prices had dropped this far already... Rejoice!

The Cheapest New Electric Cars You Can Buy

• 10. 2022 Audi Q4 40 E-Tron Premium: $44,945
• 9. 2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Select AWD: $43,995
• 8. 2022 Kia Niro EV EX: $41,165
• 7. 2021 Volkswagen ID4 Pro: $41,190
• 6. 2022 Hyundai Kona Electric SEL: $35,185
• 5. 2022 Mazda MX-30 EV: $34,645
• 4. 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV 1LT: $33,995
• 3. 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EV 1LT: $31,995
• 2. 2022 Mini Cooper Electric SE Signature: $30,750
• 1. 2022 Nissan Leaf S 40 kW: $28,375

[MoValley John]

Give it some time brother. Electric vehicle prices will fall right in line with traditional vehicles once the Big 3 start cranking them out.

That is, at a bare minimum, a decade out. I'm a big proponent of ev, but I do know that we are 10 years out on being able to ramp up sustainable production, which puts us⁵0.00 at a minimum of 15 years before there is a supply of affordable used ev's for the working poor. It's very ironic that the party that purportedly speaks for the poor, is now actively and intentionally hurting the poor with reckless energy policy.

[C0|dB|00ded]

As for oil production, the US doesn't need to drill another single well to drop crude prices. No industry buys the rumor and sells the fact for than the energy sector. The fact that leases have been frozen, pipelines have been canceled and future production has been limited, has created a rumor of scarcity. Speculation has driven up prices, at the same time, OPEC has responded by squeezing up the price per barrel.

The price of gas will drop the moment the US reverses policy on domestic production. In fact, not one more well needs to be drilled. Simply the ability of the US to drill would cause a decline in crude oil prices.

This. Man. Gets it!

[C0|dB|00ded]

EVs are fine, but they are still dependent on fossil fuels. While you don't have to buy gas, your electric bill might tick up a shade, no? I don't know how much.

And while there may be a few charging stations where you can charge for free now, just wait until those businesses start getting those bills with dozens of EVs sucking on their power. It won't be free for long. And the increased demand for coal to go to power plants will go up, along with your electric rates (which you are using more of). Especially when Biden ends coal (remember he told that girl that).

So, the moral of this story is that the government will bend you over either way eventually. Whether you get an EV or not.

Your electric bill will vary a lot depending on what part of the country you live in. There is technology available now that will allow you to charge your EV up for free every night with stored solar power. It requires QUITE the upfront investment though.

Yes, we will still have to pay for roads, as a large percentage of fuel tax covers that. But eventually you'll be able to drive an EV, power it with the sun, and live out in the sticks on dirt roads if you choose.

I believe technology will continue to make our standard of living higher and higher. Translated: fun **** will just keep getting cheaper.

We've got to revamp our medical system though. People need to stop looking at insurance as free medical care and start being incentivized (medical savings/reimbursement accounts) to take care of themselves and GET SCANNED for the expensive diseases as they enter the high risk groups. If we could fix healthcare, this country would be swimming in dough. And we'd all be living longer and enjoying a higher quality of life in our later years.

It's. So. ****ing. Easy. ....... Right?!

[MoValley John]

As for oil production, the US doesn't need to drill another single well to drop crude prices. No industry buys the rumor and sells the fact for than the energy sector. The fact that leases have been frozen, pipelines have been canceled and future production has been limited, has created a rumor of scarcity. Speculation has driven up prices, at the same time, OPEC has responded by squeezing up the price per barrel.

The price of gas will drop the moment the US reverses policy on domestic production. In fact, not one more well needs to be drilled. Simply the ability of the US to drill would cause a decline in crude oil prices.

[1972Shocker]

Ukrainians shooting down Russian jets and helicopters with American F-16s means we have de facto joined the conflict, but Ukrainians shooting down Russian jets and helicopters, and destroying Russian tanks with American Stinger, Patriot, and Javelin missiles keeps our hands nice and clean.



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