Russia-Ukraine War

[WstateU]

No need. I have well-developed calluses.

[C0|dB|00ded]

You better start using volumes of moisturizer to repair those callused hands from patting yourself on the back so much.

No need. I have well-developed calluses.

[SHOXAAC]

It's okay guys... calm down. I know it's upsetting that you didn't hear it from Hannity first. I know it's uncomfortable to be continually prodded to wake up to the true reality of things. I know it's much easier to be spoon fed your thoughts so you can go about your lives. But nobody is without sin. Nobody has all the truth (well, CB works hard to maintain 98.67% of it).

Indoctrination, groupthink, tribablism, are very real phenomenon that not only flourish in this fine forum, they are what allow the Russian people to be handled by a very small group of amoral billionaires.

Independent, free-thinking people who are willing to PERSONALLY investigate the facts in EVERY life situation have such an advantage over the rest of civilization it's almost unreal. Won't you unplug and join this exclusive club of ours today? A warning though, it doesn't come without a price. Ignorance is truly bliss - in the way that a herd of sheep are blissful...

You better start using volumes of moisturizer to repair those callused hands from patting yourself on the back so much.

[SHOXAAC]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aine-neo-nazis

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat (9/10/2014)





The devil you know may be better than the devil you don't...

We do know you pretty well!

[C0|dB|00ded]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

Azov fighters are Ukraine's greatest weapon and may be its greatest threat (9/10/2014)

"I have nothing against Russian nationalists, or a great Russia," said Dmitry, as we sped through the dark Mariupol night in a pickup truck, a machine gunner positioned in the back. "But Putin's not even a Russian. Putin's a Jew."

Dmitry – which he said is not his real name – is a native of east Ukraine and a member of the Azov battalion, a volunteer grouping that has been doing much of the frontline fighting in Ukraine's war with pro-Russia separatists. The Azov, one of many volunteer brigades to fight alongside the Ukrainian army in the east of the country, has developed a reputation for fearlessness in battle.

But there is an increasing worry that while the Azov and other volunteer battalions might be Ukraine's most potent and reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists, they also pose the most serious threat to the Ukrainian government, and perhaps even the state, when the conflict in the east is over. The Azov causes particular concern due to the far right, even neo-Nazi, leanings of many of its members.

Dmitry claimed not to be a Nazi, but waxed lyrical about Adolf Hitler as a military leader, and believes the Holocaust never happened. Not everyone in the Azov battalion thinks like Dmitry, but after speaking with dozens of its fighters and embedding on several missions during the past week in and around the strategic port city of Mariupol, the Guardian found many of them to have disturbing political views, and almost all to be intent on "bringing the fight to Kiev" when the war in the east is over.

The battalion's symbol is reminiscent of the Nazi Wolfsangel, though the battalion claims it is in fact meant to be the letters N and I crossed over each other, standing for "national idea". Many of its members have links with neo-Nazi groups, and even those who laughed off the idea that they are neo-Nazis did not give the most convincing denials.

The devil you know may be better than the devil you don't...

[wufan]

Yes. and if you don't think there are a large amount of racists (white supremacists whatever) in Russia, then you don't know your wodka and I have several bridges in eastern Ukraine that I would like to sell you at a discount.

There are racists everywhere. I have had direct interactions with one from Russia.

[C0|dB|00ded]

It's okay guys... calm down. I know it's upsetting that you didn't hear it from Hannity first. I know it's uncomfortable to be continually prodded to wake up to the true reality of things. I know it's much easier to be spoon fed your thoughts so you can go about your lives. But nobody is without sin. Nobody has all the truth (well, CB works hard to maintain 98.67% of it).

Indoctrination, groupthink, tribablism, are very real phenomenon that not only flourish in this fine forum, they are what allow the Russian people to be handled by a very small group of amoral billionaires.

Independent, free-thinking people who are willing to PERSONALLY investigate the facts in EVERY life situation have such an advantage over the rest of civilization it's almost unreal. Won't you unplug and join this exclusive club of ours today? A warning though, it doesn't come without a price. Ignorance is truly bliss - in the way that a herd of sheep are blissful...

[WuDrWu]

There is a large group on right wing national socialists in Ukraine for sure. It is unclear to me as to what degree they are racists.

Yes. and if you don't think there are a large amount of racists (white supremacists whatever) in Russia, then you don't know your wodka and I have several bridges in eastern Ukraine that I would like to sell you at a discount.

[Shockm]

Sure u are. By pushing the false narrative, u are indeed supporting Putin comrade Cold.

Clod pushing a false narrative? Never (actually I mean Always)

[SB Shock]

Nobody is supporting Pootin' bro.

Sure u are. By pushing the false narrative, u are indeed supporting Putin comrade Cold.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Yeah, WTF - you really going to push Putin narrative and say this is about "NAZI" - which is not actually the NAZI you are thinking about (I mean Zelensky is Jewish). Go ahead Comrade Cold.

Nobody is supporting Pootin' bro. Just pointing out that there was a fairly large contingent of neo-Nazi's in the country to the point that they were militarized and gaining power in the government. I thought it was just the ramblings of a madman. I had no idea they actually do have a problem. Clearly not a reason to invade and slaughter the citizenry lol.

[Kung Wu]

Whoa. Turns out the majority of neo-nazis in the Ukraine are RUSSIAN:

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis-who-are-russian-neo-nazi-groups-fighting-separatists-1463489

[wufan]

You are going to find right wing nationalists in many countries. Ukraine no exception. In WWII Ukrainian factions were fighting both the Germans and the Russians. The reality was that both the Germans and Russians needed to be fought. Hitler vs Stalin, which side do you choose?

There is a large group on right wing national socialists in Ukraine for sure. It is unclear to me as to what degree they are racists.

[N Crestway]

You are going to find right wing nationalists in many countries. Ukraine no exception. In WWII Ukrainian factions were fighting both the Germans and the Russians. The reality was that both the Germans and Russians needed to be fought. Hitler vs Stalin, which side do you choose?

[SB Shock]

Wtf?

Yeah, WTF - you really going to push Putin narrative and say this is about "NAZI" - which is not actually the NAZI you are thinking about (I mean Zelensky is Jewish). Go ahead Comrade Cold.