Russia-Ukraine War

[WstateU]

Sen. Graham urges Russians to target Putin: "Take this guy out"

""The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out," Graham said. "You would be doing your country — and the world — a great service."

Graham went on to say that "the only people who can fix this are the Russian people.""


Sen. Graham urges Russians to target Putin: "Take this guy out" (msn.com)

[pinstripers]

Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC

I think - in the end - Putin is pushing to break NATO. Ukraine dismantled its nuclear arsenal left behind by the old USSR - disarming in the 90s was supposed to ensure the nation’s security but now they learned a tough lesson… It should also be a lesson for all of us.

[pinstripers]

The White House is discussing sending Harris to Warsaw and Bucharest.....no comment as to whether they plan to bring her back.....

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Oh, goodie. I'm sure that will make a big difference.

Tonight, apparently, a fire burns at one of the nuclear plants. The information I heard is that no damage has been done to the reactor (yet) but the fire continues. The fire, again, apparently, came from Russian shelling.

I asked the question, but we have to be getting close to some kind of line in the sand. These thermobaric weapons are only intended for civilians. The damage a leak could cause would likely be far more damaging than Chernobyl. At some point enough is enough, and I fear we're getting dangerously close.

This NONSENSE of taking yachts from "Oligarchs" and War Crime Trials etc....Putin is NEVER going to stand trial, he's going to die, one way or the other, in office and in power. Taking the money from "Oligarchs" is nothing more than mask theatre.

I don't want one American life lost, especially on the ground in Ukraine. But I'm all for drone carpet bombing at this time. Seriously, we can't allow this to go much further at all.

Maybe she can unite and inspire them with her explanation of the conflict...

[wufan]

I completely respect this...2 (completely honest) questions though. Do you consider arming the Ukrainians and any NATO ally to the teeth with as much as they want of anything they want (short of nukes obviously) "getting involved"?

Does intentionally targeting a nuclear facility seem really close to being a nuclear attack? I would also ask if targeting civilians with these thermobaric/fuel air bombs wouldn't be construed as also "nuke-like"? Again, just asking because I really do respect your opinion.


One thing I think on which I think we all agree, these are very difficult times, but mostly for the civilians in Europe, specifically Ukraine.

For number 1; no, I don’t consider that getting involved and support that effort.

For number 2; also no. Destroying a power plant, even at the risk of causing radiation poisoning, sounds much worse than it is, and is “fair game” in war. Targeting civilians is the same. I don’t support either of these and they are both escalations, but war is hell.

And of course, I do agree with #3.

[WuDrWu]

The rest of the world can get involved if they want. I don’t think we should get involved in Ukraine for anything short of nuclear attack.

I completely respect this...2 (completely honest) questions though. Do you consider arming the Ukrainians and any NATO ally to the teeth with as much as they want of anything they want (short of nukes obviously) "getting involved"?

Does intentionally targeting a nuclear facility seem really close to being a nuclear attack? I would also ask if targeting civilians with these thermobaric/fuel air bombs wouldn't be construed as also "nuke-like"? Again, just asking because I really do respect your opinion.


One thing I think on which I think we all agree, these are very difficult times, but mostly for the civilians in Europe, specifically Ukraine.

[wufan]

Actually, Shockernet as the whole is pretty well informed with a wide range of thoughtful and informative posts (and with diverse opinions/positions) - no group thinks here on this topic. DUShock hit almost perfect the invasion date.

We are in a new territory. There is a lot of opportunities here, but also extreme danger.

You must be thinking of me with diverse posting, as only I was so decidedly incorrect in my predictions.

[wufan]

Where is “the line”? This was being discussed, painfully so, in my house today.

How many FAEs/Thermobaric bombs have to go off in civilian areas before the rest of the world says enough?

The rest of the world can get involved if they want. I don’t think we should get involved in Ukraine for anything short of nuclear attack.

[wufan]

Kuwait wasn't a NATO country. And what were the reasons for NATO involvement in the Balkans when Yugoslavia blew apart in the 1990s?

In retrospect, I don’t believe we should have been involved.

[ABC]

Oh, goodie. I'm sure that will make a big difference.

Tonight, apparently, a fire burns at one of the nuclear plants. The information I heard is that no damage has been done to the reactor (yet) but the fire continues. The fire, again, apparently, came from Russian shelling.

I asked the question, but we have to be getting close to some kind of line in the sand. These thermobaric weapons are only intended for civilians. The damage a leak could cause would likely be far more damaging than Chernobyl. At some point enough is enough, and I fear we're getting dangerously close.

This NONSENSE of taking yachts from "Oligarchs" and War Crime Trials etc....Putin is NEVER going to stand trial, he's going to die, one way or the other, in office and in power. Taking the money from "Oligarchs" is nothing more than mask theatre.

I don't want one American life lost, especially on the ground in Ukraine. But I'm all for drone carpet bombing at this time. Seriously, we can't allow this to go much further at all.

I agree.

[ShockerPrez]

Well, I think public executions by Russians of any Ukraine civilians should get something started. But we need to be careful in believing a lot of the stuff coming out from that area. I am trying to take a lot of what I hear with a grain of salt. Sad to say, but I'm weary of being told lies and being manipulated.

As you stated, we could probably end this with cruise missles and drones. But how does a crazy man with nukes respond when that happens?

[WuDrWu]

The Biden Administration Prepares to Unleash Its Secret Weapon on the Ukraine Crisis

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/03/03/the-biden-administration-prepares-to-unleash-its-secret-weapon-on-the-ukraine-crisis-n531169

The White House is actively discussing sending Vice President Harris to Warsaw, Poland, and Bucharest, Romania, in the coming days to show solidarity with Ukraine as it faces an escalating Russian invasion, sources familiar with the conversations tell The Hill.

Oh, goodie. I'm sure that will make a big difference.

Tonight, apparently, a fire burns at one of the nuclear plants. The information I heard is that no damage has been done to the reactor (yet) but the fire continues. The fire, again, apparently, came from Russian shelling.

I asked the question, but we have to be getting close to some kind of line in the sand. These thermobaric weapons are only intended for civilians. The damage a leak could cause would likely be far more damaging than Chernobyl. At some point enough is enough, and I fear we're getting dangerously close.

This NONSENSE of taking yachts from "Oligarchs" and War Crime Trials etc....Putin is NEVER going to stand trial, he's going to die, one way or the other, in office and in power. Taking the money from "Oligarchs" is nothing more than mask theatre.

I don't want one American life lost, especially on the ground in Ukraine. But I'm all for drone carpet bombing at this time. Seriously, we can't allow this to go much further at all.

[pinstripers]

I guess it's not who ya know, it's who ya blow.

[1972Shocker]

The Biden Administration Prepares to Unleash Its Secret Weapon on the Ukraine Crisis

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/03/03/the-biden-administration-prepares-to-unleash-its-secret-weapon-on-the-ukraine-crisis-n531169

The White House is actively discussing sending Vice President Harris to Warsaw, Poland, and Bucharest, Romania, in the coming days to show solidarity with Ukraine as it faces an escalating Russian invasion, sources familiar with the conversations tell The Hill.

[Kung Wu]

If we were serious about really limiting oil prices we would be working overtime to make a deal with the Ayatollah in Iran.

To what end?