Russia-Ukraine War

[wufan]

I hope (and pray) that if nothing else, Putin still possesses the brain power to realize that freaking Ukraine has handed him his ass on a platter....and that trying anything else is beyond foolhardy.

There was an interesting theory postulated on this:

Russia has internal control of their credit system. Putin did this intentionally before invading. He declined allowing the two eastern territories from becoming part of Russia several years ago intentionally so that he could “liberate” them now with the intention of also taking strategic resources in Ukraine. The loss of troops allows him to impose severe civilian casualties such that Ukraine will cede these resource rich territories. Putin strengthens Russia’s place as the oil producer for Europe AND removes the dollar as the oil reserve currency in the process.

Not saying I totally buy it, but I’m curious.

[pinstripers]

Come on, the answer is obvious. Do you have any idea what WstateU would give for a lifetime of wood?

.....just a weekend of wood.....

[WuDrWu]

I hope (and pray) that if nothing else, Putin still possesses the brain power to realize that freaking Ukraine has handed him his ass on a platter....and that trying anything else is beyond foolhardy.

[SB Shock]

If the Ukraine is part of NATO, and Russia is attacking the Ukraine, what is NATOs response?

Russia really gets it ass kicked really "quick", instead of just getting it's ass kicked over weaks in a proxy war. But NATO not going to invade Russia.

BTW, open source intelligence has documented the Russian have at least lost 18% of their tanks in Ukraine.

[wufan]

Not really. NATO doesn't want to annihilate Russia. NATO didn't want to do before the invasion, or during, and they still won't after this is all over.

In fact the U.S., EU and NATO actually have tried to do everything that they could to integrate Russia into the world. NATO/EU still are trying to get Russia back on track with the world.

If the Ukraine is part of NATO, and Russia is attacking the Ukraine, what is NATOs response?

[wichshock65]

After tossing out the knee-jerk "obvious" answer, and then sitting back and weighing the pros and cons; it's not so clear cut which scenario is better.

Come on, the answer is obvious. Do you have any idea what WstateU would give for a lifetime of wood?

[Kung Wu]

He thought he had a porn star dong, but what he really has is a 3 incher with a lifetime supply of Viagra.

After tossing out the knee-jerk "obvious" answer, and then sitting back and weighing the pros and cons; it's not so clear cut which scenario is better.

[ShockerPrez]

Not really. NATO doesn't want to annihilate Russia. NATO didn't want to do before the invasion, or during, and they still won't after this is all over.

In fact the U.S., EU and NATO actually have tried to do everything that they could to integrate Russia into the world. NATO/EU still are trying to get Russia back on track with the world.

Normal people know this. The problem is Putin does not. Or at least, his angle to power and wealth is pretending and exploiting to the Russian people the opposite view. Not sure which it is. But one thing is for sure: He thought he had a porn star dong, but what he really has is a 3 incher with a lifetime supply of Viagra (nukes).

[C0|dB|00ded]

I don’t believe that NATO has a place in a post Soviet Russian world, nor do I believe that the US has a place in a Eurocentric alliance.

Lulwut?

[SB Shock]

Whether or not you think bringing Ukraine into NATO at any point in the last 10 years was the correct move, to do so now would be to directly threaten Russia with annihilation.

Not really. NATO doesn't want to annihilate Russia. NATO didn't want to do before the invasion, or during, and they still won't after this is all over.

In fact the U.S., EU and NATO actually have tried to do everything that they could to integrate Russia into the world. NATO/EU still are trying to get Russia back on track with the world.

[wufan]

You can pretty much thank Angela Merkel for the Ukraine being turned down in 2008. She led the campaign to block it and then France got on board with Germany. While Germany tries to claim that their relationship with Russia was due to morality and guilt about WWII, the real reason is more likely economic self interest. Admittedly Merkel does have a screw loose but for most Germans it was probably about money and complacency.

Following Zelenskyy's recent internet speech to the German Bundestag, there was apparently no discussion about the Ukraine just silence and later some little Bundestag member birthday celebrations. One Bundestag member described the session as one of the most disgusting things he had ever witnessed in the German parliament.

Whether or not you think bringing Ukraine into NATO at any point in the last 10 years was the correct move, to do so now would be to directly threaten Russia with annihilation.

I don’t believe that NATO has a place in a post Soviet Russian world, nor do I believe that the US has a place in a Eurocentric alliance.

[N Crestway]

So it is now understood that Pootin' was just playin' around. But what did he gain by a half-measure invasion that had a 20% casualty rate?

His sanctions are surely not lifted. Could this have just been a probe to see how the world reacts? Had we not been unified, he would have sent the "real" forces and taken Ukraine and then planned his next invasion?

I'd say the U.S. and NATO did a good job of fulfilling their mission. It's just too bad that Ukraine wasn't already a member.

You can pretty much thank Angela Merkel for the Ukraine being turned down in 2008. She led the campaign to block it and then France got on board with Germany. While Germany tries to claim that their relationship with Russia was due to morality and guilt about WWII, the real reason is more likely economic self interest. Admittedly Merkel does have a screw loose but for most Germans it was probably about money and complacency.

Following Zelenskyy's recent internet speech to the German Bundestag, there was apparently no discussion about the Ukraine just silence and later some little Bundestag member birthday celebrations. One Bundestag member described the session as one of the most disgusting things he had ever witnessed in the German parliament.

[SB Shock]

7 buses full of Russian soldiers have shown up in Belarusus with radiation poisoning. They were digging in the forest around Chernobyl where the ground is radioactive.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Vlady being Vlady...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/29/roman-abramovich-poison-turkey-talks-ukraine-russia/

Ukraine warned its negotiators not to eat, drink or even touch anything as they headed into talks with Russia in Istanbul on Tuesday, following allegations that Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich and others may have been poisoned during previous talks.

“I advise anyone going for negotiations with Russia not to eat or drink anything, preferably avoid touching surfaces,” said Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba in an interview on national television channel, Ukrayina 24.

[C0|dB|00ded]

So it is now understood that Pootin' was just playin' around. But what did he gain by a half-measure invasion that had a 20% casualty rate?

His sanctions are surely not lifted. Could this have just been a probe to see how the world reacts? Had we not been unified, he would have sent the "real" forces and taken Ukraine and then planned his next invasion?

I'd say the U.S. and NATO did a good job of fulfilling their mission. It's just too bad that Ukraine wasn't already a member.