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  • Originally posted by Shockm View Post

    At least require the schools to limit loan amounts (which parents should do) to a payable amount each year. Anyone should know that a student cannot borrow 20,000 dollars a year and pay it back without lots of money. But how about medical and law schools? I know a good number of doctors who have had to have accumulated large loans, and are paying them back. They are also making good money. Again, not all policies fit every situation.
    Regarding parents, just fifty years ago (the 60s) 95% of children in this country were born to married couples. That number has fallen to 60% (rough numbers, lots of variables). Bottom line though, in general, marriage with a mother and a father is best, everything else is not as good. And with that "not as good" number continuing to grow, parental influence will continue to whither away. Too many people feel it's the government's responsibility in these cases. It's not an easy answer, I'll grant you that.

    What I know is NOT the answer is to give the government more and more control of our lives. Regardless of the cost, because the cost of giving it all over to the government will result in the ultimate cost.

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    • Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post

      Which defends my original point. Paying a ton for a degree to become a doctor makes sense. That's a valuable commodity. If that costs you say$200,000 but you're going to start off making $100-$200k (with enormous upside in the future) per year then it's worth it. But borrowing $75K for a degree that doesn't provide much in the way of a job at all or one that pays say $50K (which doesn't leave much after basic bills) and very little future upside, is all but worthless...and certainly not worth the $75K you paid for it.
      You mean like this guy:

      Chasten Buttigieg whines about repaying student loans



      The real joke is that someone like Chasten got any loans to begin with. It was patently clear as he got one useless degree after another that he would never pay off his debt. Here's the scoop from Wikipedia, which is probably putting the best spin possible on Chasten's life during and after college.

      First, his degrees:

      2014: Bachelor's degree in theater and global studies. (This graduate will never repay his loan.)

      2017: Masters in Education. (He will sink only deeper in debt and be obnoxious.)

      2020: Harvard Institute of Politics Fellow. (A perpetually immature and insecure man who buffs up his tattered ego with academics.)

      Second, his jobs:

      Substitute teacher. (Will never repay loans.)

      Junior high humanities teacher, including theater and the diversity club. (Will never repay loans but will indoctrinate students in LGBT politics.)

      Director of curriculum for the civic education team at the South Bend Civic Theater. (Aggressively trying to avoid paying loans.)

      Wrote a book called I Have Something To Tell You, which quickly vanished. (And given the illiterate tweet, I'm thinking ghostwriter.)

      And that's it: three useless trips through academia and a handful of mostly make-work jobs.

      There was never any chance that his degrees would pay off, but he took them anyway — and now he feels put upon that he's being called upon to pay them.

      How is Chasten's spouse/partner doing:

      Meanwhile, his spouse, Pete is doing pretty darn well for a man with no real accomplishments — and getting elected as mayor to one of America's most crime-ridden cities and leaving it in the same condition when his term ended, dropping out of a presidential run, and being the most feckless transportation secretary ever do not count as actual accomplishments.

      Pete gets over $221,000 per year as transportation secretary, in addition to the $800,000 to $1.8 million he earned before joining the Biden team. Since then, he's received more huge advances for his new book Trust, probably coming in at something in excess of a million.

      But with all that money floating around their home, Chasten still wants you, the taxpayer, to shoulder the financial burden he acquired — a burden any reasonable person would have known up front he could never repay.

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      • Just understand that the universities are part of the grift. They are good lefties, re-supplying a voter base to Democrats. Notice the politicians never question the high tuition costs?

        My daughter is a freshman and will accumulate a lot of debt. I told her to make she didn't major in anything that ends in 'studies'. I also said we would do what we can, which is currently paying housing and food. She is going to work and at least pay the interest during school.

        She has no expectations of the debt being magically forgiven. The sad part is there are kids going that do plan on that, and it's not going to happen. Just like everything else a politician promises.
        "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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        • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post

          You mean like this guy:

          Chasten Buttigieg whines about repaying student loans



          The real joke is that someone like Chasten got any loans to begin with. It was patently clear as he got one useless degree after another that he would never pay off his debt. Here's the scoop from Wikipedia, which is probably putting the best spin possible on Chasten's life during and after college.

          First, his degrees:

          2014: Bachelor's degree in theater and global studies. (This graduate will never repay his loan.)

          2017: Masters in Education. (He will sink only deeper in debt and be obnoxious.)

          2020: Harvard Institute of Politics Fellow. (A perpetually immature and insecure man who buffs up his tattered ego with academics.)

          Second, his jobs:

          Substitute teacher. (Will never repay loans.)

          Junior high humanities teacher, including theater and the diversity club. (Will never repay loans but will indoctrinate students in LGBT politics.)

          Director of curriculum for the civic education team at the South Bend Civic Theater. (Aggressively trying to avoid paying loans.)

          Wrote a book called I Have Something To Tell You, which quickly vanished. (And given the illiterate tweet, I'm thinking ghostwriter.)

          And that's it: three useless trips through academia and a handful of mostly make-work jobs.

          There was never any chance that his degrees would pay off, but he took them anyway — and now he feels put upon that he's being called upon to pay them.

          How is Chasten's spouse/partner doing:

          Meanwhile, his spouse, Pete is doing pretty darn well for a man with no real accomplishments — and getting elected as mayor to one of America's most crime-ridden cities and leaving it in the same condition when his term ended, dropping out of a presidential run, and being the most feckless transportation secretary ever do not count as actual accomplishments.

          Pete gets over $221,000 per year as transportation secretary, in addition to the $800,000 to $1.8 million he earned before joining the Biden team. Since then, he's received more huge advances for his new book Trust, probably coming in at something in excess of a million.

          But with all that money floating around their home, Chasten still wants you, the taxpayer, to shoulder the financial burden he acquired — a burden any reasonable person would have known up front he could never repay.
          Typical clown show. Wants, no demands, that his desires are projected upon the rest of society. I pray for his children.

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          • Originally posted by Shockm View Post

            I don't have a problem with any of your ideas. They still hold the student a little accountable.

            However, it still is a slap in the face to the millions of kids (and parents) who have paid off their college loans in the past 20 years. These student loans are NOT ALL ON THE SCHOOL .

            I personally know lots of parents and their responsible kids who worked through the process, and paid off their loans. Some kids wanted to go to a school that they probably couldn't afford, and I guess their parents didn't assist them, and say NO.

            Some kids were willing to work during their college experience (that's a novel idea today). Some kids, I knew went to WSU and lived at home to save money. Others went to Butler County or other junior colleges to limit their expenses, but still not live at home.

            Now, Other students partied and then dropped out of school with loans hanging on, and no one telling them they had to pay off their loans. Others didn't want to work during their college experience. Other students refused to live at home and go to school thinking it would stifle their experiences, Still others refused to go to the more affordable community college down the road for a couple of years.
            Absolutely true. So what to do about it? Allow the Universities to continue to run the cost up? If you have a bad system, you don’t continue to propagate it. You have to cut it somewhere, which leaves someone being more screwed than someone else.
            Livin the dream

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            • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
              Before we solve the student debt crisis for current students, can we shut the program down so we aren't making the problem worse?

              Of course not.

              Even though both sides of the aisle recognize they have created a disaster for the consumers of this product, they won't shut it down or reverse it to pre-1992 policy.
              Absolutely. You can’t do any sort of forgiveness program until you repair the system. Similar to immigration amnesty.
              Livin the dream

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              • The left doesn't even try to hide who they are anymore:

                Sen. Blumenthal Has Jaws Dropping With Presence at Communist Celebration



                Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) attended the Connecticut People’s World Committee Amistad Awards. CPWC is a Communist Party affiliate political advocacy organization. They were celebrating the 102nd anniversary of the founding of the Communist Party USA and giving awards to three winners of the Amistad award.

                The hosts invited people to join the Communist Party.
                “We invite you to join the Communist Party in this epic time as we make good trouble to uproot systemic racism, retool the war economy, tax the rich, address climate change, secure voting rights and create a new socialist system that puts people, peace and planet before profits,” emcee Ben McManus told the audience during the event.

                Blumenthal was introduced as a “special guest” by Communist Party member Lisa Bergmann. He said he was “very excited and honored” to be with them and to “share this remarkable occasion” (the founding of the Communist Party in the country).

                Blumenthal not only put himself in with the communists; he effectively placed the whole Senate in there with him when he said he was giving the honorees certificates of special recognition from the U.S. Senate. That was a particularly galling part of what he did.

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                • Ronny Jackson @RonnyJacksonTX

                  Nice to see the White House release a 42-page “National Gender Strategy” - whatever that means. I’m sure the dictators in Russia, China, and Iran are TERRIFIED. This White House doesn’t have a “strategy” to solve any REAL problems, just WOKE made-up nonsense. TOTALLY incompetent.

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                      • Biden's 'infrastructure czar' is a total incompetent



                        Perhaps this really isn't news.

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                        • Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                          . . .

                          I told her to make she didn't major in anything that ends in 'studies'.

                          . . .
                          You mean like the girl who graduated from WSU last weekend who got a degree in "General Studies"?

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                          • Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post

                            You mean like the girl who graduated from WSU last weekend who got a degree in "General Studies"?
                            I forgot about General Studies. It's probably the best of the 'Studies' but still a waste of money, IMO.
                            "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                            • Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post

                              You mean like the girl who graduated from WSU last weekend who got a degree in "General Studies"?
                              Depends on which General's were studied and admired. Hopefully, not General Mark Milley and General Lloyd Austin.

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                              • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post

                                Depends on which General's were studied and admired. Hopefully, not General Mark Milley and General Lloyd Austin.
                                Hey now, I have a BGS from WSU and it served me well. It allowed me to graduate in exactly four years with a variety of disciplines. I had minor equivalencies in History, Sociology, Psychology and Chemistry. It was good enough to get me into an Ivy-league graduate program. I had courses in administration, economics, stats etc.

                                I can make an argument it can be getter than a traditional major/bachelors because who, at age 21-24, can predict what in the world they want to do with their degree.

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