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  • Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post

    I'm never out on a limb brother. I also don't contradict myself. I've always thought that China had many more deaths. I also think they've done an admirable job containing the virus. They have an advantage we don't though: human rights and personal liberty are not "God-given" in their land.
    You’ve criticized the Trump and borderline defended China during this pandemic. What are you talking about ?

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    • Originally posted by Shockm View Post

      You’ve criticized the Trump and borderline defended China during this pandemic. What are you talking about ?
      You've misinterpreted. I still criticize Trump and will say with full confidence that China succeeded containing the virus while we failed. Don't sweat the misunderstanding; chalk it up to my bottom quartile existence.

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      • https://www.usatoday.com/story/enter...un/4084693001/

        Months after apologizing for downplaying the coronavirus pandemic, celebrity doctor Drew Pinsky has revealed he tested positive for the virus.

        In an Instagram post Tuesday, Pinsky, 62, known as "Dr. Drew," is seen in bed holding up a bottle of an electrolyte drink while his wife wears a face mask nearby. The caption noted his wife tested negative.

        "Drew is home, under survelliance (sic) and fever is down. Thanks Dr. Zelenko, Dr. Yo and Dr. Jeff for the superior care and advice. Drew is feeling better and will hppefully (sic) get well soon."

        In a following post, Pinsky appeared via video, explaining he has taken "a lot of good medication" and thanked his fans for their support.

        "COVID is no fun, I don't recommend it, but I'm sort of through the viral phase, which is when the virus is reproducing," he said, before explaining he was "wishing for" a positive coronavirus test. "Because I had this terrible acute febrile illness and was testing negative, and if I did not have COVID, I had acute lymphocytic leukemia, which I did not want to have.
        I wish some of the Trumpers on here would take a page out of Dr. Drew's book. It's okay to admit you're wrong and that Covid is real. You won't lose your Republican membership card.

        Dr. Drew happens to be one of the finest minds in Hollywood IMO. He continually impresses me with his mental instrument.

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        • China controls all research of Caronavirus

          More than a year since the first known person was infected with the coronavirus, an AP investigation shows the Chinese government is strictly controlling all research into its origins, clamping down on some while actively promoting fringe theories that it could have come from outside China.

          The government is handing out hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants to scientists researching the virus’ origins in southern China and affiliated with the military, the AP has found. But it is monitoring their findings and mandating that the publication of any data or research must be approved by a new task force managed by China’s cabinet, under direct orders from President Xi Jinping, according to internal documents obtained by the AP. A rare leak from within the government, the dozens of pages of unpublished documents confirm what many have long suspected: The clampdown comes from the top.

          As a result, very little has been made public. Authorities are severely limiting information and impeding cooperation with international scientists.

          “What did they find?” asked Gregory Gray, a Duke University epidemiologist who oversees a lab in China studying the transmission of infectious diseases from animals to people. “Maybe their data were not conclusive, or maybe they suppressed the data for some political reason. I don’t know. I wish I did.”

          The AP investigation was based on dozens of interviews with Chinese and foreign scientists and officials, along with public notices, leaked emails, internal data and the documents from China’s cabinet and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. It reveals a pattern of government secrecy and top-down control that has been evident throughout the pandemic.

          As the AP previously documented, this culture has delayed warnings about the pandemic, blocked the sharing of information with the World Health Organization and hampered early testing. Scientists familiar with China’s public health system say the same practices apply to sensitive research.

          “They only select people they can trust, those that they can control,” said a public health expert who works regularly with the China CDC, declining to be identified out of fear of retribution. “Military teams and others are working hard on this, but whether it gets published all depends on the outcome.”



          The pandemic has crippled Beijing’s reputation on the global stage, and China’s leaders are wary of any findings that could suggest they were negligent in its spread. The Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology and the National Health Commission, which are managing research into the coronavirus’ origins, did not respond to requests for comment.

          “The novel coronavirus has been discovered in many parts of the world,” China’s foreign ministry said in a fax. “Scientists should carry out international scientific research and cooperation on a global scale.”

          Some Chinese scientists say little has been shared simply because nothing of significance has been discovered.

          “We’ve been looking, but we haven’t found it,” said Zhang Yongzhen, a renowned Chinese virologist.



          China’s leaders are far from alone in politicizing research into the origins of the virus. In April, President Donald Trump shelved a U.S.-funded project to identify dangerous animal diseases in China and Southeast Asia, effectively severing ties between Chinese and American scientists and complicating the search for virus origins. Trump also has accused China of setting off the pandemic through an accident at a Wuhan lab — a theory that some experts say cannot be ruled out but as yet has no evidence behind it.

          Research into COVID-19’s origins is critical to the prevention of future pandemics. Although a World Health Organization international team plans to visit China in early January to investigate what started the pandemic, its members and agenda had to be approved by China.

          Some public health experts warn that China’s refusal to grant further access to international scientists has jeopardized the global collaboration that pinpointed the source of the SARS outbreak nearly two decades ago. Jonna Mazet, a founding executive director of the UC Davis One Health Institute, said the lack of collaboration between Chinese and U.S. scientists was “a disappointment” and the inability of American scientists to work in China “devastating.”

          “There’s so much speculation around the origins of this virus,” Mazet said. “We need to step back … and let scientists get the real answer without the finger-pointing.”

          EARLY ON IN WUHAN

          The hidden hunt for the origins of COVID-19 shows how the Chinese government has tried to steer the narrative.

          The search started in the Huanan Seafood market in Wuhan, a sprawling, low-slung complex where many of the first human coronavirus cases were detected. Scientists initially suspected the virus came from wild animals sold in the market, such as civet cats implicated in the spread of SARS.

          In mid-December last year, Huanan vendor Jiang Dafa started noticing people were falling ill. Among the first was a part-time worker in his 60s who helped clean carcasses at a stall; soon, a friend he played chess with also fell ill. A third, a seafood monger in his 40s, was infected and later died.

          Patients began trickling into nearby hospitals, triggering alarms by late December that alerted the China CDC. CDC chief Gao Fu immediately sent a team to investigate.

          At first, research appeared to be moving swiftly.

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          After secret orders were issued in early March, the tide of research papers slowed to a trickle. Although China CDC researcher Liu Jun returned to the market nearly 20 times to collect some 2,000 samples over the following months, nothing was released about what they revealed.

          On May 25, CDC chief Gao finally broke the silence around the market in an interview with China’s Phoenix TV. He said that, unlike the environmental samples, no animal samples from the market had tested positive.

          The announcement surprised scientists who didn’t even know Chinese officials had taken samples from animals. It also ruled out the market as the likely source of the virus, along with further research that showed many of the first cases had no ties to it.

          BAT CAVES

          With the market proving a dead end, scientists turned more attention to hunting for the virus at its likely source: bats.

          Nearly a thousand miles away from the wet market in Wuhan, bats inhabit the maze of underground limestone caves in Yunnan province. With its rich, loamy soil, fog banks and dense plant growth, this area in southern China bordering Laos, Vietnam and Myanmar is one of the most biologically diverse on earth.

          At one Yunnan cave visited by the AP, with thick roots hanging over the entrance, bats fluttered out at dusk and flew over the roofs of a nearby small village.

          White droppings splattered the ground near an altar in the rear of the cave, and Buddhist prayer strings of red and yellow twine hung from the stalactites. Villagers said the cave had been used as a sacred place presided over by a Buddhist monk from Thailand.

          Contact like this between bats and people praying, hunting or mining in caves alarms scientists. The coronavirus’ genetic code is strikingly similar to that of bat coronaviruses, and most scientists suspect COVID-19 jumped into humans either directly from a bat or via an intermediary animal.

          Since bats harboring coronaviruses are found in China and throughout Southeast Asia, the wild animal host of COVID-19 could be anywhere in the region, said Linfa Wang at Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore.

          “There is a bat somewhere with a 99.9% similar virus to the coronavirus,” Wang said. “Bats don’t respect these borders.”

          COVID-19 research is proceeding in countries such as Thailand, where Dr. Supaporn Wacharapluesadee, a coronavirus expert, is leading teams of scientists deep into the countryside to collect samples from bats. During one expedition in August, Supaporn told the AP the virus could be found “anywhere” there were bats.

          Chinese scientists quickly started testing potential animal hosts. Records show that Xia Xueshan, an infectious diseases expert, received a 1.4 million RMB ($214,000) grant to screen animals in Yunnan for COVID-19.

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          • https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...s-cases-2021-1

            Fauci to Trump after he tweeted the CDC exaggerates the number of COVID-19 cases: 'The deaths are real'



            Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious diseases specialist and a core member of the White House coronavirus task force, disputed Trump's remarks on Sunday.

            Speaking on ABC News' "This Week," Fauci said the deaths "are real" and objected to Trump's tweet.

            "All you need to do is go out into the trenches," he said. "Go to the hospitals and see what the healthcare workers are dealing with. They are under very stressful situations in many areas of the country. The hospital beds are stretched, people are running out of beds, running out of trained personnel who are exhausted."

            "That's real," Fauci continued. "That's not fake. That's real."
            US Surgeon General Jerome Adams also disputed Trump's tweet. "From a public health perspective, I have no reason to doubt those numbers," he said on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday.
            Lieutenant Dummkopf is at it again, attacking the faith of the American people in our healthcare leadership. The one thing you can never have enough of when your country is in a crisis and Trump relentlessly attacks it. And do you know what saddens me the most? His deranged Tweet gets 173k likes. Not surprising though after what I've read on here. Trump4Ever!!!11111111

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            • Is it not possible for hospitals to be overrun and the numbers to be off at the same time?

              How close are ICUs to capacity in hospitals during the typical flu season?

              Deuces Valley.
              ... No really, deuces.
              ________________
              "Enjoy the ride."

              - a smart man

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              • UK To Enter Tougher Lockdown Due To Alarming Covid Numbers – Deadline

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                • Lockdown isn’t working? Time for double-secret lockdown! We’ll get those damned Omega’s!
                  Livin the dream

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                  • While I was watching the attack on the capitol slack jawed, and coming to the realization that I should have picked Cruz over Trump in the primary (even though he wouldn't have beaten Hillary), my thoughts drifted back to the insidious, alien scourge, which could frankly care less about politics. And guess what? What a day yesterday was... go hug your loved ones and commit a random act of kindness to a stranger will ya? This country is in trouble.

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                    • Another record.

                      For what's it's worth, the current projections have our daily deaths peaking on January 11th and then starting to head back down. We should be under 3k daily deaths by Feb 4, under 2k by Feb 28, and under 1k by Mar 23. We should hit 400k dead by Jan 15, 500k by Feb 16, and 567k by Apr 1 (that's as far out as the projection goes).

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                      • Originally posted by C0|dB|00ded View Post



                        Another record.

                        For what's it's worth, the current projections have our daily deaths peaking on January 11th and then starting to head back down. We should be under 3k daily deaths by Feb 4, under 2k by Feb 28, and under 1k by Mar 23. We should hit 400k dead by Jan 15, 500k by Feb 16, and 567k by Apr 1 (that's as far out as the projection goes).
                        How accurate have those projections been since the beginning?
                        Deuces Valley.
                        ... No really, deuces.
                        ________________
                        "Enjoy the ride."

                        - a smart man

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                        • Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post

                          How accurate have those projections been since the beginning?
                          The World-O-Meter has been quite accurate.

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                          • Over $13.1 million recovered!! That is great news!

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                            • Even Clod will have to cringe at this. I thought all Do As I Say Dems did everything right and would never do such a thing as this. This has to be a Trump supporter right? Is he a covid denier. Doesn't he know this insidious alien disease will kill. Talk about a viral load.

                              https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...on-house-floor

                              Viewers of the House’s impeachment proceedings were left scratching their heads after a leader in the charge, Rep. David Cicilline, D-R.I., took off his mask momentarily to sneeze into his hand. He didn’t use sanitizer after.

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                              • Kansas contact tracing data shows 0.91% of cases can be traced back to restaurants and bars, with a whopping 0 deaths resulting from them

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