Any news on Orukpe?

[RoyalShock]

What was impressive is that we/he was rebounding the blocks. They werent just thrown in the stands, keeping possession with SIU. We were gaining possession off of the blocks.

I helped keep stats some in high school back in the 80s. The coach told us not to credit our player with a block unless we also got posession as a result.

[WSUwatcher]

What was also impressive to me was that on a night where only two Shocks scored in double digits -- how often does that happen under Marshall? -- one of them was Orukpe. How many of his critics saw that coming? (For that matter, how many of his backers could have imagined it?)

[rrshock]

What was also impressive to me was that on a night where only two Shocks scored in double digits -- how often does that happen under Marshall? -- one of them was Orukpe. How many of his critics saw that coming? (For that matter, how many of his backers could have imagined it?)

I think many expected that he could get the other numbers he had but not all of them with the points in the same game.

[Aargh]

Here's something that Orukpe does for the team that's easy to overlook. These are the Steals stats from conference play:

1.	Simms-Edwards, D.-BU	SR	4	18	4.5
2.	Lemon Jr., Walt-BU	JR	4	12	3.0
3.	Odum, Jake-INS	JR	4	10	2.5
	Koch, Jake-UNI	SR	4	10	2.5
5.	Brown,Tyler-ILS	SR	4	9	2.3
6.	Armstead, Malcolm-WSU	SR	4	8	2.0
	Downing,Anthony-MSU	SR	4	8	2.0
8.	Cotton, Tekele-WSU	SO	4	7	1.8
	Williams, Demetric-WSU	SR	4	7	1.8
10.	Van Vleet, Fred-WSU	FR	4	6	1.5
	Early, Jeff-SIU	SR	4	6	1.5

WSU's guards get to play the game a little different when the goalie is in the house.

[JaminShock]

Here's something that Orukpe does for the team that's easy to overlook. These are the Steals stats from conference play:

1.	Simms-Edwards, D.-BU	SR	4	18	4.5
2.	Lemon Jr., Walt-BU	JR	4	12	3.0
3.	Odum, Jake-INS	JR	4	10	2.5
	Koch, Jake-UNI	SR	4	10	2.5
5.	Brown,Tyler-ILS	SR	4	9	2.3
6.	Armstead, Malcolm-WSU	SR	4	8	2.0
	Downing,Anthony-MSU	SR	4	8	2.0
8.	Cotton, Tekele-WSU	SO	4	7	1.8
	Williams, Demetric-WSU	SR	4	7	1.8
10.	Van Vleet, Fred-WSU	FR	4	6	1.5
	Early, Jeff-SIU	SR	4	6	1.5

WSU's guards get to play the game a little different when the goalie is in the house.

This is a great point, Aargh. Some of the credit for the all-time steals record we are sure to set has to be given to EO and when he's been in there and when he returns, Hall's as well.

[ShockTalk]

Here's something that Orukpe does for the team that's easy to overlook. These are the Steals stats from conference play:

1.	Simms-Edwards, D.-BU	SR	4	18	4.5
2.	Lemon Jr., Walt-BU	JR	4	12	3.0
3.	Odum, Jake-INS	JR	4	10	2.5
	Koch, Jake-UNI	SR	4	10	2.5
5.	Brown,Tyler-ILS	SR	4	9	2.3
6.	Armstead, Malcolm-WSU	SR	4	8	2.0
	Downing,Anthony-MSU	SR	4	8	2.0
8.	Cotton, Tekele-WSU	SO	4	7	1.8
	Williams, Demetric-WSU	SR	4	7	1.8
10.	Van Vleet, Fred-WSU	FR	4	6	1.5
	Early, Jeff-SIU	SR	4	6	1.5

WSU's guards get to play the game a little different when the goalie is in the house.

Just playin' devil's advocate, but with BU's best shot block, Egolf, having missed 3 of the 4 conference games, I wonder how #1 and #2 are able "to play the game a little different" having more steals total than all 4 of WSU's guards?

[im4wsu]

Here's something that Orukpe does for the team that's easy to overlook. These are the Steals stats from conference play:

1.	Simms-Edwards, D.-BU	SR	4	18	4.5
2.	Lemon Jr., Walt-BU	JR	4	12	3.0
3.	Odum, Jake-INS	JR	4	10	2.5
	Koch, Jake-UNI	SR	4	10	2.5
5.	Brown,Tyler-ILS	SR	4	9	2.3
6.	Armstead, Malcolm-WSU	SR	4	8	2.0
	Downing,Anthony-MSU	SR	4	8	2.0
8.	Cotton, Tekele-WSU	SO	4	7	1.8
	Williams, Demetric-WSU	SR	4	7	1.8
10.	Van Vleet, Fred-WSU	FR	4	6	1.5
	Early, Jeff-SIU	SR	4	6	1.5

WSU's guards get to play the game a little different when the goalie is in the house.

In our four conference games:

Game	Steals by others with EO in	Steals By EO	Steals when EO is out
1	3	0	6
2	9	2	2
3	7	1	2
4	4	0	2
Totals	23	3	12

[Kung Wu]

Just playin' devil's advocate, but with BU's best shot block, Egolf, having missed 3 of the 4 conference games, I wonder how #1 and #2 are able "to play the game a little different" having more steals total than all 4 of WSU's guards?

Also Malcolm set the school record for steals at Oregon. When you have a senior PG like that, it challenges other players to compete with him.

[Kung Wu]

In our four conference games:

Game	Steals by others with EO in	Steals By EO	Steals when EO is out
1	3	0	6
2	9	2	2
3	7	1	2
4	4	0	2
Totals	23	3	12

Nice.

How many minutes did EO average across those games?

[1979Shocker]

Nice.

How many minutes did EO average across those games?

He had 20, 29, 29, 27.

[RoyalShock]

Here's something that Orukpe does for the team that's easy to overlook. These are the Steals stats from conference play:

1.	Simms-Edwards, D.-BU	SR	4	18	4.5
2.	Lemon Jr., Walt-BU	JR	4	12	3.0
3.	Odum, Jake-INS	JR	4	10	2.5
	Koch, Jake-UNI	SR	4	10	2.5
5.	Brown,Tyler-ILS	SR	4	9	2.3
6.	Armstead, Malcolm-WSU	SR	4	8	2.0
	Downing,Anthony-MSU	SR	4	8	2.0
8.	Cotton, Tekele-WSU	SO	4	7	1.8
	Williams, Demetric-WSU	SR	4	7	1.8
10.	Van Vleet, Fred-WSU	FR	4	6	1.5
	Early, Jeff-SIU	SR	4	6	1.5

WSU's guards get to play the game a little different when the goalie is in the house.

When you have an eraser, the guards can get the lead out!

[forevershockerfan]

Any more, when EO comes out of the game, i am not comfee. This was not always the case. When Hall returns, I wonder if Early, Hall, and EO would all be in the game together at times? Now That would elate me.

[Dave Stalwart]

Just playin' devil's advocate, but with BU's best shot block, Egolf, having missed 3 of the 4 conference games, I wonder how #1 and #2 are able "to play the game a little different" having more steals total than all 4 of WSU's guards?

The difference is Bradley loses the game. They play that way and also give up the middle and lose. We play that way with 4 guys instead of 2 and the middle is covered....so we win the game.

[Kung Wu]

He had 20, 29, 29, 27.

Interesting. So that's an average of 26.25 minutes across all four games, which is darn near exactly 66% of the duration of a game.

1/3 of the time our guys got 12 steals (the time EO wasn't on the court), and the other 2/3 of the time they got 26 steals (when EO was on the court). All I can conclude is that our steals numbers aren't affected up or down either way when EO is on the court.

Now blocks and altered shots on the other hand ... there is no doubt. And if you combine those with the steals numbers, the overall defense numbers go nuts.

@im4wsu: ... can you show the other team's turnovers when EO is in compared with not in during those same four games?

[im4wsu]

Interesting. So that's an average of 26.25 minutes across all four games, which is darn near exactly 66% of the duration of a game.

1/3 of the time our guys got 12 steals (the time EO wasn't on the court), and the other 2/3 of the time they got 26 steals (when EO was on the court). All I can conclude is that our steals numbers aren't effected up or down either way when EO is on the court.

Now blocks and altered shots on the other hand ... there is no doubt. And if you combine those with the steals numbers, the overall defense numbers go nuts.

@im4wsu ... can you show the other team's turnovers when EO is in compared with not in during those same four games?

In the last three games,however, it is 20 to 6 when EO is on the ocurt versus not on the court. I think it deserves further evaluation.