OSU to offer Self 3.5 mil/yr plus 6 mil signing bonus

[shockerfan1]

IF Bill Self goes to OSU, it will NOT be over money. KU will up the ante. If he goes to OSU, it will simply be because he decides that the ole Alma Mater means more to him than being part of one of the top 5 programs in the country with regard to basketball tradition.

Honestly, if the rumors about the salary offer from OSU are true, KU will not match them...basically, they can't. Right now without incentives, Self makes around $6.9 million at KU in 5 years. OSU is offering him anywhere from $23.5 to $31 million over his first 5 years without incentives. I can guarantee you KU's offer will not sniff $20 million over 5 years. Of course, the rumors could be completely false and OSU maybe offering significantly less, if that's the case, KU has a very good chance of keeping Self.

And we care about this, why?

Because it's related to men's college basketball and the title of this forum is Men's Basketball... It could have been put under baseball, but I think this is a better fit.

Agreed. The money from OSU will be meaningfully more than what KU will be able to come up with....still Self will be at KU next year as one of the three highest paid coaches in the country.

Or he could go to OSU and be the highest paid coach in the history of the universe!

[Shox21]

IF Bill Self goes to OSU, it will NOT be over money. KU will up the ante. If he goes to OSU, it will simply be because he decides that the ole Alma Mater means more to him than being part of one of the top 5 programs in the country with regard to basketball tradition.

Honestly, if the rumors about the salary offer from OSU are true, KU will not match them...basically, they can't. Right now without incentives, Self makes around $6.9 million at KU in 5 years. OSU is offering him anywhere from $23.5 to $31 million over his first 5 years without incentives. I can guarantee you KU's offer will not sniff $20 million over 5 years. Of course, the rumors could be completely false and OSU maybe offering significantly less, if that's the case, KU has a very good chance of keeping Self.

And we care about this, why?

Because it's related to men's college basketball and the title of this forum is Men's Basketball... It could have been put under baseball, but I think this is a better fit.

Agreed. The money from OSU will be meaningfully more than what KU will be able to come up with....still Self will be at KU next year as one of the three highest paid coaches in the country.

If you will look at the posts directly above my post, you will see that I was referring to the reference by several posters regarding Self's "rug". I was not questioning why this general thread was here. The thread as a whole is relevant.

[Rosewood]

My gut feeling based in nothing says Self realizes everywhere else is down from here in College basketball and is off to the Pros.

Specifically the Oklahoma City team.

[Indy23]

My gut feeling based in nothing says Self realizes everywhere else is down from here in College basketball and is off to the Pros.

Specifically the Oklahoma City team.

Self isn't going to the NBA any time soon. If he did, I think he'd go to San Antonio, where he is best friends with the GM Buford. It's either Okie State or staying at KU for now. The NBA could be down the road, though.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

I think Self had a nice discussion with Calipari about the jump to the NBA. You know he has talked to Brown.

In the future, maybe. Right now? Doubtful.

[SpanglerFan316]

If Memphis hits one more free throw, we would not be having this discussion. Self still has lots to prove at KU.

[7hottamales]

If Memphis hits one more free throw, we would not be having this discussion. Self still has lots to prove at KU.

Help me out here...what exactly does he have to prove?

What current coaches would be better hires for the next 10 years?

[SpanglerFan316]

KU got somewhat lucky in the tourney.
- Self did not have a dominant team in the tourney.
- Nice win over UNC but Davidson might have beat UNC as well.
- Memphis had the game won but missed a bunch of free throws.
- The refs allowed KU to slap the Memphis guards arms & hands and this allowed KU to get steals in the back court.
- KU had an easy road to the Final Four and still almost lost to Curry (& Davidson).

In my opinion, Self has lots to prove. He had a good team but not a great team. He coached well and got breaks. Could 2008 KU beat 2007 Florida? No.

[vbird53]

KU got somewhat lucky in the tourney.
- Self did not have a dominant team in the tourney.
- Nice win over UNC but Davidson might have beat UNC as well.
- Memphis had the game won but missed a bunch of free throws.
- The refs allowed KU to slap the Memphis guards arms & hands and this allowed KU to get steals in the back court.
- KU had an easy road to the Final Four and still almost lost to Curry (& Davidson).

In my opinion, Self has lots to prove. He had a good team but not a great team. He coached well and got breaks. Could 2008 KU beat 2007 Florida? No.

Wow, with this critical analysis, I'm not sure WSU should have won the 1989 College World Series, either.

[7hottamales]

KU got somewhat lucky in the tourney.
- Self did not have a dominant team in the tourney.
- Nice win over UNC but Davidson might have beat UNC as well.
- Memphis had the game won but missed a bunch of free throws.
- The refs allowed KU to slap the Memphis guards arms & hands and this allowed KU to get steals in the back court.
- KU had an easy road to the Final Four and still almost lost to Curry (& Davidson).

In my opinion, Self has lots to prove. He had a good team but not a great team. He coached well and got breaks. Could 2008 KU beat 2007 Florida? No.

2007 KU beat 2007 Florida. I don't think anyone is arguing that 2007 KU was > 2008 KU.

How many potential NBA players does a 37-3 National Championship team have to have to be considered a great team?

[ShockerFever]

KU got somewhat lucky in the tourney.
- Self did not have a dominant team in the tourney.
- Nice win over UNC but Davidson might have beat UNC as well.
- Memphis had the game won but missed a bunch of free throws.
- The refs allowed KU to slap the Memphis guards arms & hands and this allowed KU to get steals in the back court.
- KU had an easy road to the Final Four and still almost lost to Curry (& Davidson).

In my opinion, Self has lots to prove. He had a good team but not a great team. He coached well and got breaks. Could 2008 KU beat 2007 Florida? No.

You need a lot of luck to win any kind of a tournament. The good teams tend to get some of the best luck.

As vbird already mentioned, it could be argued that we got lucky to win the 89 title.

No matter how you slice it though, KU and Self won the National Championship. He has nothing more to prove. Sorry..

[shocks771]

KU got somewhat lucky in the tourney.
- Self did not have a dominant team in the tourney.
- Nice win over UNC but Davidson might have beat UNC as well.
- Memphis had the game won but missed a bunch of free throws.
- The refs allowed KU to slap the Memphis guards arms & hands and this allowed KU to get steals in the back court.
- KU had an easy road to the Final Four and still almost lost to Curry (& Davidson).

In my opinion, Self has lots to prove. He had a good team but not a great team. He coached well and got breaks. Could 2008 KU beat 2007 Florida? No.

Let's look at Self's track record.

Job #1- Oral Roberts- Inherited a 5-22 team and by the third season had them at 18-9 and in the fourth season at 21-7 and a birth in the NIT.

Job #2- Tulsa- In three years had a record of 74-27, went to two NCAA Tournaments and made the Elite 8 in 2000.

Job #3- Illinois- Went 78-24 in three season. Led Illinois to two Big 10 Titles, an Elite 8 in 2001, the Sweet 16 in 2002 and the 2nd Round in 2003. Was responsible for recruiting Deron Williams, Dee Brown, Luther Head and James Augustine who were on the 2005 Illinois team that went 37-2 and lost in the National Championship game.

Job #4- Kansas- Is 142-32 in five seasons. Led Kansas to the Elite 8 in 2004 and 2007. Lost in the 1st Round in 2005 and 2006. Won the National Championship in 2008.

Career Totals
Record: 349-147 in 15 years as head coach
10 straight NCAA appearances by teams that he has coached
1 Sweet 16 Appearance
4 Elite 8 Appearances
1 National Championship

And you say the guy has something to prove, give me a break.

[skyshocker30]

how is being the first team to ever beat two number 1 seeds in the ncaa tournament lucky?

[Indy23]

Kansas donors willing to pay to keep Self

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3338465

"All Oklahoma State has to offer him is money," Anderson said. "We're going to do our best to make him comfortable in staying. You work out a way to retain great people."

[shocks771]

how is being the first team to ever beat two number 1 seeds in the ncaa tournament lucky?

That's not true, Arizona in 1997 beat three #1 seeds on their way to the title. They beat Kansas in the Sweet 16, North Carolina in the Final Four and Kentucky in the Final.