I think they'll give us a 6. I hope we avoid a 5. I don't see us getting a 4 though.
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Having Jim on the committee is probably a tiny, super small, almost zero, but not quite zero, bump to WSU's seeding. I don't think he will necessarily push for something crazy good like a 2 or 3 seed, but I see him as one less member for us to worry about having a crazy idea like placing WSU as a 7.
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Originally posted by _kai_ View PostI think they'll give us a 6. I hope we avoid a 5. I don't see us getting a 4 though.
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Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View PostHaving Jim on the committee is probably a tiny, super small, almost zero, but not quite zero, bump to WSU's seeding. I don't think he will necessarily push for something crazy good like a 2 or 3 seed, but I see him as one less member for us to worry about having a crazy idea like placing WSU as a 7.
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Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View PostI assume you would leave out Texas? They are KenPom 21.
To give the Big 12 only 5 teams, you would also have to leave out Oklahoma St. They are KenPom 32.
Would you prefer Illinios make it? They are KenPom 53 and lost to Nebraska.
How about Old Dominion? KenPom 56, lost to UTSA, Western Kentucky, and Middle Tennessee
Stanford? KenPom 44, lost to Washington St and DePaul.
Temple? KenPom 52, Lost to St Joseph's.
Boise St? A decent KenPom of 36, but their bad losses are a very long list!
The point is, bubble teams have bad losses. They are flawed teams, thus the reason they are on the bubble in the first place. At the end of the day, you gotta fill out the bracket with 68 teams, and losing to a Texas Tech level team is a common occurrence for all the possible bubble candidates.
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Just for reference these were the teams in the 4-7 range last year:
4) #20 UCLA (26-8) #11 Michigan State (26-8) #13 San Diego St (29-4) #5 Louisville (29-5)
5) #24 VCU (26-8) #15 Cinncinnati (27-6) #21 Oklahoma (23-9) #25 Saint Louis (26-6)
6) #22 Ohio State (25-9) #19 North Carolina (23-9) #23 Baylor (24-11) NR UMASS (24-8)
7) #17 New Mexico (27-6) #18 UCONN (26-8) NR Oregon (23-9) NR Texas (23-10)
Rankings are AP"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
-John Wooden
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A lot of losses from the 4 seeds last year. San Diego St. is the only 4 seed with only 4 losses like ours THIS year. The 5 seeds from last year have 8, 6, 9 and 6 losses. Gonna look kinda weird on paper that Wichita St. with only 4 losses is gonna be a 5 seed more than likely. Seems like more of an overall W/L record of a 4 or even 3 seed. But I digress...the MVC sos kills it...I know. I'm sure there's been some 5 seeds with only 4 or less losses in the tourney's recent history no???FINAL FOURS:
1965, 2013
NCAA Tournament:
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2021
NIT Champs - 1 (2011)
AP Poll History of Wichita St:
Number of Times Ranked: 157
Number of Times Ranked #1: 1
Number of Times Top 5: 32 (Most Recent - 2017)
Number of Times Top 10: 73 (Most Recent - 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017)
Highest Recent AP Ranking:
#3 - Dec. 2017
#2 ~ March 2014
Highest Recent Coaches Poll Ranking:
#2 ~ March 2014
Finished 2013 Season #4
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FWIW, Lunardi has us very securely slotted as a 5 seed entering championship week (#18 on his S-Curve). UNI, at #16, is projected as the weakest 4 seed.
He is just okay at what he does so this is hardly gospel, but it matches up pretty well with where I'd place both teams at this point. A 5 seed is fine with me so long as it is not in the Midwest (you can apply that caveat to pretty much every seed). I do not know that playing Villanova, Virginia or Duke would be appreciably more difficult than Wisconsin, Gonzaga or Arizona in the S16. Those are pretty interchangeable and are excellent but very beatable teams. Also, this year's regional sites do not offer anyone other than Kentucky an enormous home court advantage as sometimes happens.
No Midwest draw on Sunday and I will be thrilled, whether we are a 5 or a 6.
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I'm OK with a 5 seed, and I was pleasantly surprised that we didn't get punished any more in the polls than we did.
Some here have speculated the effect of Marshall's illness had against IlSt. Maybe that had something to do with it.
We tried to fix the SOS problem by upgrading our schedule. We laid a couple of eggs (GW and IlSt) and we lost a hard-fought game against Utah. A couple of the teams (Alabama and Memphis) ended up having bad years.
It will be very difficult for us to get a protected seed playing in the valley unless the other teams step it up. Even then, we can't lay eggs like we did this year and expect a protected seed.
Hopefully our bigs will progress and our post play will improve next year. I'm also hoping the coaching staff is still looking for a big that can help us, as I think the juco's we brought in this year have disappointed.
I'd like to see Ron and Fred close their careers out with another trip to the final four.
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Originally posted by Play Angry View PostFWIW, Lunardi has us very securely slotted as a 5 seed entering championship week (#18 on his S-Curve). UNI, at #16, is projected as the weakest 4 seed.
He is just okay at what he does so this is hardly gospel, but it matches up pretty well with where I'd place both teams at this point. A 5 seed is fine with me so long as it is not in the Midwest (you can apply that caveat to pretty much every seed). I do not know that playing Villanova, Virginia or Duke would be appreciably more difficult than Wisconsin, Gonzaga or Arizona in the S16. Those are pretty interchangeable and are excellent but very beatable teams. Also, this year's regional sites do not offer anyone other than Kentucky an enormous home court advantage as sometimes happens.
No Midwest draw on Sunday and I will be thrilled, whether we are a 5 or a 6.
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