#15 Wichita State vs. Indiana State GAME THREAD

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

Not much more to say other than we played horribly and ISUb played pretty damn well.

Credit where credit is due.

Lets just go get em on Saturday!

[CBB_Fan]

Three point shooting has been and will be our weakness this year. Some games we get lucky and hit a respectable percentage to keep the other team honest. ISU had the right formula to beat us and our 3 point shooting failed us. Going forward, everyone will watch this game as a blueprint on how to beat the shox. I hope Marshall can figure it out because our three best shooters are either injured or riding the pine.

3PT shooting is a symptom, not the problem in and of itself. The real problem is our guardplay. We could have Ray Allen standing in the corner, but he would be useless without the ball. In our good games, we have had pretty good guardplay. We work the ball, find our post players, and get open shots without turning the ball over or playing bad defense. In all of our losses, Armstead and Williams have been lackluster (they are more main culprits because they play the most minutes with the ball in their hands).

We need those guys to get their problems straightened out. The reason we cannot beat the zone is because we do not attack it from the perimeter, either by breaking it down with passing or with interior passing and drives. This means that the quality of our shots is way lower than what we get against a man defense. Our interior shots are guarded by three defenders and our outside shots are off-balance contested threes or long twos.

Before last game, we had at least three guys shooting over 40% from the 3PT line in conference play (Armstead at 40%, Early at 45%, and Wiggins at a ridiculous 54%). So we have the tools to be great against a zone. Our problem is utilizing those tools.

[kstarheel]

We played bad, point blank. But the crowd was downright pathetic from the get go.

I disagree. I was there and the crowd was in it in the 2nd half until there was about 2:30 left and it was pretty much a lost cause. The team sucked; crowd had nothing to do with that. And it's a little difficult to go nuts while bricks are being launched from every conceivable angle.

[pinstripers]

Cannot hardly overstate how bad this loss was.

First team to 20........gone

National media calling for KU-WSU game.......gone

Chance to move into top 10..............gone

Alone at the top of the Valley.......gone

Chance to be a 4 seed..........gone

Outrebound every opponent..........gone

all the naysayers have been proven to be right.......so far

[Dan]

Three point shooting has been and will be our weakness this year. Some games we get lucky and hit a respectable percentage to keep the other team honest. ISU had the right formula to beat us and our 3 point shooting failed us. Going forward, everyone will watch this game as a blueprint on how to beat the shox. I hope Marshall can figure it out because our three best shooters are either injured or riding the pine.

[pinstripers]

We played bad, point blank. But the crowd was downright pathetic from the get go.

bullshit

[pinstripers]

If I had to watch that pisspoor effort every night, I would give up my tickets

[newshock1234]

We played bad, point blank. But the crowd was downright pathetic from the get go.

[rrshock]

This team seems to be wishy washy. Or Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde like. We never know what team is going to show up now. This is concerning.

[RomeoCrennel's Belly]

Armstead was lightsout against Creighton! He had an awful game last night. We need him night in and night out. Not just the big games.

[SB Shock]

We had some bad and negative energy out there tonight and also, I'll be a little surprised if it doesn't come out that some of the kids were sick. We looked really, really tired and gassed all night, especially Carl.

If I was guessing - maybe to much partying. They looked hungover and a step slow in everything they did. Also there were some guys totally not engaged out there i.e. passes hitting guys in the face because they were in another world.

[ShockerPrez]

Indy St played great. They needed and wanted to win more than we did. Still many games left. We need to rebound onSaturday against UNI, who will be up for the game after their pounding we gave them in Wichita. Shox better get used to it. We played our easy games already.

Welcome to the spotlight. Lets get it on!

[pinstripers]

If indeed the team has a bug hope it's not the one going around down here. This takes a long time to completely recover.

I've had it for 3 1/2 weeks. Prolly end up going back to the doc.

[ShockRef]

Missed most of it too...

Missed the game. Looks like that was a good thing. Having said that, I am somewhat relieved that we took a loss now rather than later in the season. I think we peaked too later/too early last year, the late season bug that passed around, probably played a factor then. It might have been a factor last night. We have a good team and a wake up call if needed, came at the right time, and the bug if present, has time to go away.

I also think the team's health could be a factor. One of the players last week said a bug was starting to go around in the team. Maybe it played a factor.

Glad I did.
Had a game and was rushing home getting updates from RefChick as I drove. I almost drove off the road a couple of times.


Got home for the last 5 minutes to watch MA throw up 3 terrible shots, commit 2 T/O's and make 2 bad decisions.

Noticed HCGM took 4 T/O's with him to the locker room. Maybe he knows why, but I don't. You can't save and use at the next game.


I should have slowed down and saved the gas.


That is all.

[molly jabali]

Some really good points in all of this...I do think , also, that the phrase"he got outcoached" is overused...but it CAN happen...but there are times that NOTHING works, but you still shoot your bullets looking for a fix.

By no means do I think the Shockers overlooked ISU...they had a much better night, simply....