Isaac Brown: Head Coach

[Ashockalypse]

I think we got the best "splash" hire available this year. National media and national fans were expecting a dive into the bottom half of the league. Instead, the Shox are looking good to win the regular season championship.

Porter Moser is the hot mid-major coach. He's well ahead of Jans in national recognition. Coaches in similar situation to Chris Weber might be interested. The guy at Iowa State is likely to be available.

That's the options Boatright was looking at.

I'm 100% confident that Jans was considered and either DB or CJ wasn't comfortable with that working relationship.

You are deranged. Look I’m all ready to support Isaac. He has done what he needed to do in the time he was given. All kinds of pressure was on DB to make this move before even one year of results are in. But Jans is way more proven than Isaac not just by his head coaching record but by all of the attribution 3G gave to Chris for the success. Someone else said it: Chris would be a plug and play. I pray for Isaac to succeed as I have enjoyed his currently winning ways and by all accounts he is a great guy. Maybe he will be Mark Few but Dan Monson was no Gregg Marshall. There was no ability to continue to consider Chris because Isaacs season and the many pressures coming from all corners pinned DB in. That’s ok but you want to continue to diminish 3G and Chris who was his top assistant in building our program to the pinnacle even though there is no reason for it. It is not a zero sum game. We can support Isaac while still appreciating our great former Coach. If you love Porter so much why don’t you just go be a rambler. There is no evidence that DB and Chris couldn’t work together. Splash hire-no. Good hire or Great hire- I hope so.

[wichshock65]

[Stickboy46]

I think we got the best "splash" hire available this year. National media and national fans were expecting a dive into the bottom half of the league. Instead, the Shox are looking good to win the regular season championship.

Porter Moser is the hot mid-major coach. He's well ahead of Jans in national recognition. Coaches in similar situation to Chris Weber might be interested. The guy at Iowa State is likely to be available.

That's the options Boatright was looking at.

I'm 100% confident that Jans was considered and either DB or CJ wasn't comfortable with that working relationship.

From a purely "splash" standpoint ... I agree HCIB is a bigger splash hire than Jans. It's definitely got more media attention and a better media response than Jans would have IMO. I know many on here balk at "Media" .. but it matters... how they speak of WSU affects many things including recruiting. Image management had to be up there as priorities when looking at our next coach. 3G built this program into a powerhouse, but the way he left (or was forced to leave) did HEAVY damage to WSU's image.

[Stickboy46]

You are deranged. Look I’m all ready to support Isaac. He has done what he needed to do in the time he was given. All kinds of pressure was on DB to make this move before even one year of results are in. But Jans is way more proven than Isaac not just by his head coaching record but by all of the attribution 3G gave to Chris for the success. Someone else said it: Chris would be a plug and play. I pray for Isaac to succeed as I have enjoyed his currently winning ways and by all accounts he is a great guy. Maybe he will be Mark Few but Dan Monson was no Gregg Marshall. There was no ability to continue to consider Chris because Isaacs season and the many pressures coming from all corners pinned DB in. That’s ok but you want to continue to diminish 3G and Chris who was his top assistant in building our program to the pinnacle even though there is no reason for it. It is not a zero sum game. We can support Isaac while still appreciating our great former Coach. If you love Porter so much why don’t you just go be a rambler. There is no evidence that DB and Chris couldn’t work together. Splash hire-no. Good hire or Great hire- I hope so.

Chris Jans is a better coach than Porter Moser. Porter Moser would be the bigger splash hire this year. Both of those things can be true.

[pie n eye]

I personally don’t care about how splashy the hire was or what the media thinks. Good or bad, five minutes later they will move on to something else so I don’t really buy that one event has much affect on recruits, especially with a new coaching staff.

Winning the American and going to the NCAA tournament is the kind of “press” that is more important to recruits than what talking heads like *******, etc are saying. Doing those two things this year would be a huge step in the direction of continuing the success of the last 15ish years.

Brown checks many of the same boxes for me that Chris Jans would have. He just doesn’t have the same track record of consistent success in multiple HC jobs. That doesn’t mean he can’t, won’t eventually, or will, just that he doesn’t currently.

Watching the team this year feels very similar to watching a Marshall team which is a style I like and has shown a ton of success. Yes, the rebounding has been more down than up but I’ve heard him talk all year about it’s importance and I’ve seen improvement. Will it be maintained? TBD.

If Marshall had retired at the end of last year and Isaac Brown had been hired in May, I think many people would be excited about his future as our head coach after the year we’ve had so far.

[ShockingButTrue]

No one can really say that our rebounding 'woes' are the coaches fault (except for you-know-who). It certainly isn't the current HC's fault that he was left with a front-line that probably could barely cut the mustard the MEAC, let alone the MVC: 6'8" center and a power forward that is 6'5", with a primary back-up (Clarence) who, I guess is 6'6", or at lest that's what he's listed as?

If that's not a relevant point to some of our -ahem- more pugnacious posters, rewind the tape and watch T. Wade battling that godd**n thug Gorham on the blocks. There's a bit of a size difference.

[Shock Top]

No one can really say that our rebounding 'woes' are the coaches fault (except for you-know-who). It certainly isn't the current HC's fault that he was left with a front-line that probably could barely cut the mustard the MEAC, let alone the MVC: 6'8" center and a power forward that is 6'5", with a primary back-up (Clarence) who, I guess is 6'6", or at lest that's what he's listed as?

If that's not a relevant point to some of our -ahem- more pugnacious posters, rewind the tape and watch T. Wade battling that godd**n thug Gorham on the blocks. There's a bit of a size difference.

Look how tall UH’s roster is.

Somehow they are the best offensive rebounding team in the country.

EFFORT and EXECUTION.

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Villanova won the National Championship without a starter above 6’8. Rebounding is positioning and effort. Both can be taught. How tall was X? Led the nation in rebounding, remember.

Again, love me some Coach Brown, but these made up arguments to try to make him not responsible for what happens on the court does him a disservice.

He believes he owns it, and I believe him.

[Shockm]

Trey Wade has been a good rebounder. He was pretty good last year too. He's consistently been 5-6 rebounds. There is quite a bit of agreement with me on this too. They just don't post. They "like".

[ShockingButTrue]

Villanova won the National Championship without a starter above 6’8. Rebounding is positioning and effort. Both can be taught. How tall was X? Led the nation in rebounding, remember.

Again, love me some Coach Brown, but these made up arguments to try to make him not responsible for what happens on the court does him a disservice.

He believes he owns it, and I believe him.

If we could shoot like that 'Nova team we'd be National Champions this year. See what I'm getting at?

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

If we could shoot like that 'Nova team we'd be National Champions this year. See what I'm getting at?

I thought you were getting at that if every Shocker was 7’2 no other team would ever get a rebound. Because all you have to be is tall.

[pie n eye]

If we could shoot like that 'Nova team we'd be National Champions this year. See what I'm getting at?

Villanova was top 55 in rebounding rate that year. 125 offensive, 40 defensive.

So, yes, Villanova was an all around great team. They were elite on offense, very good on defense AND very good on the boards, especially defensively. Despite being “undersized”.

[pie n eye]

If WSU was top 40 in defensive rebounding this year I doubt even the most hardcore fan of rebounding would complain.

[ShockingButTrue]

I thought you were getting at that if every Shocker was 7’2 no other team would ever get a rebound. Because all you have to be is tall.

If you're getting at their tallest player on the floor against North Carolina or Michigan was 6'8" you're playing fast and loose.

[ShockingButTrue]

If WSU was top 40 in defensive rebounding this year I doubt even the most hardcore fan of rebounding would complain.

You didn't see me anywhere on this thread saying the Shocks are good at defensive rebounding. However I DID post a stat the showed we're top 40 in rebounding as a TEAM, yes. That has much to do with why they're in first place in the conference in the month of March.

If anyone is pointing directly to the lack of defensive rebounding at HC Brown (which it kinda' reads like) they are being short-sighted. I would feel stupid making such a point, but If I did, then it would be at the lack of execution that takes place sometimes on offense. But I'm not going to ignorantly say our lack of offense is Clarence Jackson's fault. We all know better (I think).

Where were the rebounding experts last year when the Mountaineers outrebounded the Shocks by a count of 31 to 48, this after having been outrebounded by Northern Iowa the previous night by a count of 40 to 35? Yes, you read that right. Or, last year in the Shocks' 2 match-ups against the Coogs when the rebounding tallies were 39-35 on January 18th in favor of the Coogs here in Wichita. In the second match-up on Febuary the 9th the rebounding tally was 44-30 Coogs. The Shockers lost both games. Who coached those teams, of which IB inherited every. single. player?

This years Shocker team, in 2 games against the might Coogs had rebound totals of 45-41 in favor of the Coogs at their gym, and 35-33 in favor of the Shocks in the return game in Wichita.

Wouldn't it be great if the Shocks were better on the glass so we could be ranked top 5 in the Nation heading into March? Maybe if we shot like 'Nova we could be National champs this year. Yeah, right...