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  • The double standard is apalling/
    WSU's "good" wins aren't good enough.
    When Indiana is at 500, and so is Minnesota, they can lose to someone like Northwestern at 6-13, and that is NOT a bad loss.

    It is all set up for the Power conferences to hog most of the spots.
    Many years, these power conferences get 8 teams in and after the first weekend only have 2 or 3 left.

    Even Pie is startting to wake up to this obvious set-up.

    I've said it before and I will say it again, we don't get no respect.
    Rodney Dangerfield was lucky compared to us.

    No matter what we do, it just isn't quite good enough in comparison to the big schools.

    Never mind our track record for the last decade, we just don't measure up.

    Pie said there is no "national conspirancy. To quote Uncle Joe, "C'mon man."
    The Power conferences control the NCAA, always have.
    When it looked like they were starting to lose control, they threatened to leave and form their own group.
    Well, that scared the bejesus out of the NCAA, so it is back to business as normal again.

    Same thing happens with violations.
    Anybody care to bet that nothing big happens to KU or Arizona?
    If WSU was ON TAPE taling about "I paid good money for that kid, $100,000, where is he?"
    We would get the death sentence.

    Nothing will happen to KU or Arizona, or only a slap on the wrist for major violations way beyone anything WSU has ever done.

    The same applies to the torunament. The Indianas, Marylands, Kentuckys, Rutgers, Penn States, who clearly do NOT deserve to be in will get in.

    If WSU gets in, it will be by the skin of our teeth.

    I just get tired of something so obviously fixed in the big school's favor.

    But now all of you can explain to me that I am just an unwitting troglodyte.
    Have at it.

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    • Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
      In what weird world do you beat #6 in the nation, win your regular season conference -- which is the 7th toughest conference in the country, have the conference POY, lose only to teams you are supposed to, dont lose to any teams you arent supposed to, all while playing your first matches short handed .... and still not be a tournament worthy team?

      This season is broken. The Shockers aren't.
      This is the only reaction any Shocker fans should have.
      The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
      We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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      • The P5 schools and the Big East can put more viewers on their games. Ability to sell advertising is more important than the ability to win games.

        The NCAA's ability to attract viewers is going to be researched by networks bidding on the games. Those bidders will have done research and I expect that research gets to the Selection Committee. The top teams for viewers (ad revenue) are always going to get in unless they are obviously so bad that no excuse can be made.

        Past that, it's an effort to find a Cinderella that can drive views and ad $$. The NCAA tourney is based more on revenue than anything else.
        The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
        We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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        • Originally posted by SkoShox View Post
          Bubble teams Xavier, Indiana, and Seton Hall all lost last night. WSU continues to stay strong as other teams start to fall off. Some big bubble games tonight:

          1. Western Kentucky @ Houston: If WKU wins this they most likely wrap up an at-large bid even if they don't win their tournament. Houston
          2. Ohio State @ Michigan State: Michigan State has slowly crept back into the bubble picture. A win over #4 OSU would get them squarely on the bubble. OSU
          3. Boise State @ SDSU: Huge two MWC games for these two. Boise State is currently projected as a 10 seed. SDSU
          4. Oregon @ Stanford: Big opportunity for Stanford. Currently one spot behind us as 1st 4 out. Oregon
          5. Northwestern @ Minnesota: Minnesota is one of the last two teams in. Upset would be nice. NU
          Pretty good night for the Shox. Minnesota and Stanford losing is huge. Michigan State still has a tough road ahead but they have two top 5 wins in 3 days. Something about Izzo near March.

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          • Originally posted by Stickboy46 View Post

            You are going to have to explain how Seton Hall would be better right now... Let alone with 2 more losses. The only thing I see that makes them better is their NET

            Seton Hall right now :
            13-10
            NET 54
            3-6 Q1, 2-3 Q2, 7-1 Q3, 1-0 Q4 SOS 40
            Best NET win: 39 Penn State
            Worst Loss: 130 Butler


            WSU right now
            11-4
            NET 67
            2-2 Q1, 2-2 Q2, 6-0 Q3, 1-0 Q4
            SOS 22
            Best NET win: 6 Houston
            Worst Loss: 62 Memphis
            NCAA selection committee in the past is more impressed by raw numbers than %, e.g. they will be more impresses with 3 Q1 wins than 2-2 Q1 record that is better %.

            Advantage Seton Hall

            1. NET

            2. Seton Hall has 3 Q1 wins (away games at that), WSU only 2 (w/ one being home)

            3. Seton Hall has 5 Q1/Q2 wins versus 4 for WSU.

            4. Seton Hall plays in tougher conference (5th) vs the 7th for WSU. That is how they will rationalize their losses away.

            5. Seton Hall Net avg win is 102, WSU is 118 (plus WSU played 2 non-Div I teams for win instead of real opponents.)

            6. Seton hall has won more road game 6 vs WSU 4

            7. Seton hall has more Non-Conf wins against real teams. WSU choose to play 2 non-div I opponents.

            8. Seton hall will likely have more wins against NCAA tournament teams than WSU

            9. Seton Hall advance metrics are better than WSU.

            Advantage WSU
            1. Better Marque Win (Houiston at Home) vs UConn on road for Seton Hall

            2. Better SOS for WSU (28) vs 47

            3. Better NET loss for WSU (37) vs 56

            4. WSU has a better Q3 record 6-0 vs Seton Hall 7-1


            Uncertain at moment

            1. Record vs NCAA Tourny teams, WSU has 1 win, Seton Hall has 1 win, but could be more depending where u slot Xavier and Penn State (3-10 vs Q1, even the NCAA may be taken back by their raw number of losses, but then again we have seen NCAA look past it).
            Last edited by SB Shock; February 26, 2021, 07:53 AM.

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            • No team that is 8-12 like Penn St should be considered for a bid, IDGAS what their NET rating is.

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              • AM with 15 pts and 12 boards tonight on 6-6 FG shooting

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                • Obviously we would like to see OSU upset #7 OU in Norman today. OSU 94 - OU 90 in OT

                  Missouri needs to hold serve at home against Texas A&M. Postponed

                  Ole Miss should win at Vanderbilt. I guess we want Ole Miss to win? Vandy 75 - Ole Miss 70

                  ORU needs to take care of Western Illinois at home. They are 10 point favorites. ORU 85 - WIU 81

                  Do we care who wins the Temple @ UCF game today? Cancelled

                  What bubble teams do we want to see lose today?
                  Last edited by 1972Shocker; February 27, 2021, 05:59 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                    Obviously we would like to see OSU upset #7 OU in Norman today.

                    Missouri needs to hold serve at home against Texas A&M...

                    Ole Miss should win at Vanderbilt. I guess we want Ole Miss to win?

                    ORU needs to take care of Western Illinois at home. They are 10 point favorites.

                    Do we care who wins the Temple @ UCF game today?

                    What bubble teams do we want to see lose today?
                    Looks like we probably lost our Temple game next weekend. F***!

                    Bubble games to monitor:

                    Michigan @ Indiana: Can NOT have Indiana win. Need them to continue to falter. UM
                    Syracuse @ Georgia Tech: Both teams are currently on the bubble, but GT is the current first team out. 'Cuse
                    Marquette @ UCONN: UCONN is one of the last teams in currently. Marquette.
                    Ole Miss @ Vandy: Ole Miss is on the bubble but we need them to win for our NET. Ole Miss
                    Florida State @ UNC: UNC isn't quite on the bubble, but another couple losses and they could join the party. FSU
                    Boise State @ SDUS: Both teams currently in the field. SDSU won on Thursday night, so lets sweep Boise and knock them down further. SDSU
                    Air Force @ Colorado State: Air Force!
                    Creighton @ Xavier: Xavier is one of the last 8 teams currently. Creighton
                    Louisville @ Duke: Duke is crawling towards the line and we don't want to have our place come down to us and Duke. Louisville.
                    Oregon State @ Stanford: OSU
                    Minnesota @ Nebraska: Go Teddy!
                    Drake @ Bradley: A loss could knock Drake out of the at large talk. Bradley

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                    • Oklahoma State wins at #7 OU 94-90. Cade Cunningham with 40 points.

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                      • Bubble games to monitor:

                        Michigan @ Indiana: Can NOT have Indiana win. Need them to continue to falter. UM Michigan 73 - Indiana 57
                        Syracuse @ Georgia Tech: Both teams are currently on the bubble, but GT is the current first team out. 'Cuse GA Tech 84 - Syracuse 77
                        Marquette @ UCONN: UCONN is one of the last teams in currently. Marquette. UConn 80 - Marquette 62
                        Ole Miss @ Vandy: Ole Miss is on the bubble but we need them to win for our NET. Ole Miss Vandy 75 - Ole Miss 70
                        Florida State @ UNC: UNC isn't quite on the bubble, but another couple losses and they could join the party. FSU UNC 78 - Florida State 70

                        Boise State @ SDUS: Both teams currently in the field. SDSU won on Thursday night, so lets sweep Boise and knock them down further. SDSU
                        SDSU 62 - Boise State 58

                        Air Force @ Colorado State: Air Force! CSU 72 - Air Force 49
                        Creighton @ Xavier: Xavier is one of the last 8 teams currently. Creighton Xavier 77 - Creighton 69

                        Louisville @ Duke: Duke is crawling towards the line and we don't want to have our place come down to us and Duke. Louisville. UofL 80 - Puke 73
                        Oregon State @ Stanford: OSU Beavers 73 - Stanford 62
                        Minnesota @ Nebraska: Go Teddy! Cornhuskers 78 - Gofers 74
                        Drake @ Bradley: A loss could knock Drake out of the at large talk. Bradley. Braves 67 - Geese 61

                        Looks like 6 fer us and 6 agin us.
                        Last edited by 1972Shocker; February 27, 2021, 09:25 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                          Oklahoma State wins at #7 OU 94-90. Cade Cunningham with 40 points.
                          Ugh, what could have been. A win in that game and we’d be looking at an 8 seed right now
                          Last edited by shock-it-to-me; February 27, 2021, 06:53 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                            Bubble games to monitor:

                            Michigan @ Indiana: Can NOT have Indiana win. Need them to continue to falter. UM Michigan 73 - Indiana 57
                            Syracuse @ Georgia Tech: Both teams are currently on the bubble, but GT is the current first team out. 'Cuse GA Tech 84 - Syracuse 77
                            Marquette @ UCONN: UCONN is one of the last teams in currently. Marquette. UConn 80 - Marquette 62
                            Ole Miss @ Vandy: Ole Miss is on the bubble but we need them to win for our NET. Ole Miss Vandy 75 - Ole Miss 70
                            Florida State @ UNC: UNC isn't quite on the bubble, but another couple losses and they could join the party. FSU UNC 78 - Florida State 70
                            Boise State @ SDUS: Both teams currently in the field. SDSU won on Thursday night, so lets sweep Boise and knock them down further. SDSU
                            SDSU 62 - Boise State 58

                            Air Force @ Colorado State: Air Force! CSU 72 - Air Force 49
                            Creighton @ Xavier: Xavier is one of the last 8 teams currently. Creighton Xavier 77 - Creighton 69
                            Louisville @ Duke: Duke is crawling towards the line and we don't want to have our place come down to us and Duke. Louisville.
                            Oregon State @ Stanford: OSU
                            Minnesota @ Nebraska: Go Teddy!
                            Drake @ Bradley: A loss could knock Drake out of the at large talk. Bradley
                            May I suggest green for good, red for bad?

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                            • Originally posted by wichshock65 View Post

                              May I suggest green for good, red for bad?
                              If you’re tired of college basketball and have no interest in the ESPN game coming up, turn to ABC CST. Landry Shamet and the Nets play at 7:30. Two of the big three are out, so Landry should get plenty of PT.
                              "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                              • Uh oh. Geese.

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