American Athletic Conference

[Kel Varnsen]

I did spreadsheet about a year ago looking at various comparative metrics in the AAC, along with how WSU might fit in. At that time, the Wichita media market was ranked 65th under the context of Nielsen "TV Homes". If WSU were added to the AAC, then fully one third of the conference would occupy slots between 50th and 65th, under the same criteria. So yes, Wichita and WSU would be bringing up the rear in this regard, but not by some astonishing margin.

Interesting. Sounds about right I guess. My point was that it's not like Wichita is some giant in terms of a media market. And that conference members use that as one of the main metrics to help determine conference expansion (i.e. how can adding this member create additional visibility for the Big East in the marketplace of college athletics?). Now, could they sit down and say, "Adding Wichita would generate a product greater than the sum of its parts in terms of media exposure"? Absolutely. That's probably justifiable. But to say that conferences are knocking down our door to have access to this market is short-sighted. The marginal revenue of adding us as a member has to be substantial enough to justify it. And I don't know if it is to them or not.

[Kel Varnsen]

How is the size of media market working out for Loyola?

Ask Doug Elgin. I referenced WSU and their relationship with the Big East.

[Mr. Obvious]

Funny story: Omaha is a smaller media market than Wichita, by like 10 slots in Nielsen. Wichita is 65th, followed by Honolulu at 66th; Omaha is 75th, followed by Springfield, MO in 76th.

Interesting info. Wichita news broadcasts are shown all the way to the Colorado border. 65 total counties. Omaha's consist of 8 counties. Done this way to measure local news broadcasts. Period. Metro population is another thing and not close.

[SHOCKvalue]

Interesting info. Wichita news broadcasts are shown all the way to the Colorado border. 65 total counties. Omaha's consist of 8 counties. Done this way to measure local news broadcasts. Period. Metro population is another thing and not close.

Oh, I know there are any number of things that make CU and WSU not close. Things where WSU smokes CU, like:

*Academic R&D Revenues
*Enrollment
*Carnegie Classification
*Final Fours
*Elite Eights
*Sweet Sixteens
*Weeks Spent in AP Top 10 (recent or all-time)
*Weeks Spent in AP Top 25 (recent of all-time)
*Coaching Salaries
*Number of SI Covers

And then there's things where we're sort of close like bros, but (sit down for this) WSU is still the bigger brother:

*MBB Budget
*Overall AD Budget
*NCAA Tournament Wins

Obviously, CU beats us in a few categories. Stuff like:

*Quietest, most casually dis-attached 17K people in a single room (CU should look into a Guinness World Record on this)
*Entitled, arrogant assholes per capita
*Alcoholics anonymous chapters represented
*Ability to win conference tournament, coupled with total and utter inability to do anything else nationally relevant whatsoever
*Groupon ticket sales

[shockmonster]

Interesting info. Wichita news broadcasts are shown all the way to the Colorado border. 65 total counties. Omaha's consist of 8 counties. Done this way to measure local news broadcasts. Period. Metro population is another thing and not close.

You are naïve if you don't think that our successful run has increased our appeal in western Kansas and east too for that matter. Being able to play Top 25 type teams would also increase our profile throughout the state.

[ShockerFever]

Interesting info. Wichita news broadcasts are shown all the way to the Colorado border. 65 total counties. Omaha's consist of 8 counties. Done this way to measure local news broadcasts. Period. Metro population is another thing and not close.

Ooooh, Mr. Creightard got a little defensive here.

Media markets are media markets. Omaha's SUCKS. They're a small fish in a medium-sized pond. Not close.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I know this comment seems a little out of place but I've said it before and id like to reiterate it again. and touch on a few points others have made.

Fred and Ron have taken the program to new heights but the seeds were planted long before they even got here. Hell Marshall tookover what was basically an intramural team and coached the **** out of those guys and they played their hearts out. Fast forward to the next year and the winning started.
As long as we keep doing what we are doing - winning 25 + games and 2 or so wins in the tournament we'll be asked somewhere.

Gonzaga geographically doesnt make sense anywhere except the Pac 12. We have the luxury of being smack in the middle of country which helps us but as stated since we are so far west it makes more sense to go into somewhere with divisions.

Scheduling is starting to get better as we're in the major tournaments and we are starting to see some school agree to home/home with us. I still think we should take buy games. I get why Marshall and as a program we shouldnt but man... it be nice to go in somewhere and beat the **** out of them and get paid to do it.

[Mr. Obvious]

Ooooh, Mr. Creightard got a little defensive here.

Media markets are media markets. Omaha's SUCKS. They're a small fish in a medium-sized pond. Not close.

They mean 0. Point being, CU is the only institution that has gone public to support WSU in finding a new conference. Fortunately the 2 schools have very good relationships other than you 2.

[MoValley John]

Crap. I was going to try and have a rationale explanation regarding media markets, but to steal a trailer park boys line, the old shitliner came to port...


Sorry.

[Mr. Obvious]

Oh, I know there are any number of things that make CU and WSU not close. Things where WSU smokes CU, like:

*Academic R&D Revenues
*Enrollment
*Carnegie Classification
*Final Fours
*Elite Eights
*Sweet Sixteens
*Weeks Spent in AP Top 10 (recent or all-time)
*Weeks Spent in AP Top 25 (recent of all-time)
*Coaching Salaries
*Number of SI Covers

And then there's things where we're sort of close like bros, but (sit down for this) WSU is still the bigger brother:

*MBB Budget
*Overall AD Budget
*NCAA Tournament Wins

Obviously, CU beats us in a few categories. Stuff like:

*Quietest, most casually dis-attached 17K people in a single room (CU should look into a Guinness World Record on this)
*Entitled, arrogant assholes per capita
*Alcoholics anonymous chapters represented
*Ability to win conference tournament, coupled with total and utter inability to do anything else nationally relevant whatsoever
*Groupon ticket sales

I'm not a Creighton guy and don't live in Omaha but are seriously this narrow minded and ignorant. Live in a bubble?

[Jhook89]

Ooooh, Mr. Creightard got a little defensive here.

Media markets are media markets. Omaha's SUCKS. They're a small fish in a medium-sized pond. Not close.

Are you saying Wichita is any better?

[SHOCKvalue]

Are you saying Wichita is any better?

I have extensive experience in both towns, and they are more similar than disparate, in any number of contexts.

Neither are located in a salt marsh, with a climate resembling a rain forest that somehow is also located on the surface of the sun, so there's that going for both of them.

[MoValley John]

I have extensive experience in both towns, and they are more similar than disparate, in any number of contexts.

Neither are located in a salt marsh, with a climate resembling a rain forest that somehow is also located on the surface of the sun, so there's that going for both of them.

Yeah, I think I've said that before, two towns, similar size, located in the central plains, similar demo's.

[ShockerFever]

I'm not a Creighton guy and don't live in Omaha but are seriously this narrow minded and ignorant. Live in a bubble?

If a lie is stated, and it keeps being repeated over and over, does that lie disappear?

[ShockerFever]

Are you saying Wichita is any better?

Where did I say anything about Wichita?

God, you're challenged.