American Athletic Conference

[MoValley John]

#57 for Kansas probbly still puts them in a P-5 or consolidated P-4 conference would it not?

Maybe. There are really only two numbers to consider, 64 and 10. If the P-5 becomes P-4, 64 teams will make up the P-4. There are only 10 slots to fill. There are teams lower than Kansas already in the Pac, B1G, ACC and SEC. Being #57 is like being an RPI bubble team, hoping you make the dance.

[shockmonster]

#57 for Kansas probbly still puts them in a P-5 or consolidated P-4 conference would it not?

If the P4 (16x4) numbers to 64, then the last 10-20 school are on rocky ground and debatable. Louisville has just as strong a case as KU does. Thus, KU is not a shoe in according to this article.

[MoValley John]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/24/byu-intends-to-play-in-power-conference-in-the-near-future/

[MoValley John]

If the P4 (16x4) numbers to 64, then the last 10-20 school are on rocky ground and debatable. Louisville has just as strong a case as KU does. Thus, KU is not a shoe in according to this article.

Louisville has every bit as strong of a case as Kansas, probably a stronger case. Both Kansas and Louisville have three national titles, Kansas has a 44-41 edge on appearances and a 14-10 advantage on F-4's. So you could say Kansas leads by a hair, but... Louisville football kicks Kansas football right in the grapes.

I still think Kansas squeaks in somewhere, but it is a close call. Those that think KU would be a slam dunk addition to the B1G, Pac, SEC or ACC need to look past blind loyalty. If it comes down to a P-4 scenario, It really is going to be a razors edge either way.

[Veritas]

Just something to look at when considering who may, or may not, get left out of inclusion should the P-5 consolidate to the P-4. The Wall Street Journal doesn't seem to value Kansas nearly as highly as they do Kansas State. These are the numbers that conferences care about.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-yo...rth-1421081367

That article relates to football only; not the entire athletic program, academic program, alumni strength, TV market attraction, endowment.
Do you really think KSU would be included while KU excluded?
No chance.

[shockmonster]

That article relates to football only; not the entire athletic program, academic program, alumni strength, TV market attraction, endowment.
Do you really think KSU would be included while KU excluded?
No chance.

Yes. I'm not sure about the metrics of the article. The whole premise of the P4 conferences leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[MoValley John]

Yes. I'm not sure about the metrics of the article. The whole premise of the P4 conferences leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The driving force of realignment is money, specifically, football money. It is all about football. The shift from a P-5 to P-4 I'd about consolidating football money.It is about having four conferences supplying four teams to a playoff that is a huge financial windfall.

Unfortunately, that is all the consolidation is about. It's not about fair play, it's not about the best interests of the student athletes, it's not about playing the best competition, it's about football money. And that's where it stops. If you think it's about basketball, academics, media markets or history, look at Nebraska. They have none of that, they have football.

With that, there are ten spots available. Texas and Oklahoma are automatics, so is BYU and one or two others, so you really are looking at four to five openings. I think KU gets in, barely, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were left out, either.

[wu_shizzle]

With that, there are ten spots available. Texas and Oklahoma are automatics, so is BYU and one or two others, so you really are looking at four to five openings. I think KU gets in, barely, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were left out, either.

There are some folks in Lawrence who would consider going Independant (ex. Notre Dame) to be an upgrade.

They already want to raise their tuition and academic requirements above the other State schools.

[Cdizzle]

There are some folks in Lawrence who would consider going Independant (ex. Notre Dame) to be an upgrade.

They already want to raise their tuition and academic requirements above the other State schools.

If they went independent they wouldn't ever win anything.

Zing.

[ShockerEngr]

That article relates to football only; not the entire athletic program, academic program, alumni strength, TV market attraction, endowment.
Do you really think KSU would be included while KU excluded?
No chance.

For conferences though, it's the football money that matters. All the other bits primarily matter in how they drive the football money.

It matters because the conferences are in control of football revenue, not the NCAA. For baseball and basketball, the NCAA is in control. So while strong programs in the other sports are nice and all, football is the driver because realignment is all about the money. The other bits are great when they work out, but it's ultimately about how much money a program brings to the conference, and for conferences, football is where the money is at.

[Dave Stalwart]

If they went independent they wouldn't ever win anything.

Zing.

If they join any other conference they won't ever win anything either

[Cdizzle]

If they join any other conference they won't ever win anything either

Only if that conference has a team that starts with a 'B' coached by literally anyone other than Scott Drew, or a team with a group of disciplined players that play hard and don't pee down their leg the first time they give up a dunk.

[MoValley John]

Just a quick summation of some (not all)of the teams that would be vying for one of the ten openings. Some don't have a shot, but when you look at the list, and know that the decisions will be football driven, and only ten make the cut, if your school isn't good at football, you should be concerned.

Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Utah State
Nevada
UNLV
SDSU
Fresno State
Southern Miss
La Tech
Cincinnati
Memphis
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
SMU
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
West Virginia
Notre Dame (should the ACC force the Irish in or out)

Now is not the time to suck at football.

[Kung Wu]

Just a quick summation of some (not all)of the teams that would be vying for one of the ten openings. Some don't have a shot, but when you look at the list, and know that the decisions will be football driven, and only ten make the cut, if your school isn't good at football, you should be concerned.

Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Utah State
Nevada
UNLV
SDSU
Fresno State
Southern Miss
La Tech
Cincinnati
Memphis
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
SMU
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
West Virginia
Notre Dame (should the ACC force the Irish in or out)

Now is not the time to suck at football.

Most of the left overs would make a pretty interesting promo/relegation basketball-first conference. Not that their alumni would be one bit happy about that ...

[wu_shizzle]

Just a quick summation of some (not all)of the teams that would be vying for one of the ten openings. Some don't have a shot, but when you look at the list, and know that the decisions will be football driven, and only ten make the cut, if your school isn't good at football, you should be concerned.

Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Utah State
Nevada
UNLV
SDSU
Fresno State
Southern Miss
La Tech
Cincinnati
Memphis
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
SMU
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
West Virginia
Notre Dame (should the ACC force the Irish in or out)

Now is not the time to suck at football.

Shouldn't some schools like Washington State, Oregon State, Purdue, Northwestern, etc... be concerned that their current conference could dump them for a better replacement?