American Athletic Conference

[SHOCKvalue]

I think this is kind of my point. Isn't the MVC one of the only conferences that is this independent from it's football? Doesn't that sort of mean that the MVC as we know it is a little bit weird? If the MVC has a bunch of football schools that play in an independent league bearing the same name and no other conferences do that, doesn't it seem like it should be changed?

I feel like the MVC and MVFC should just be a football conference and the schools that are not associated with the MVFC, like WSU, Drake, Evansville, Loyola and Bradley should just disband out into the conferences that the other MVFC schools would be getting pulled from. The MVFC actually isn't a bad conference for FCS. And obviously, I would hope that WSU and Bradley could find a way into the right conference, not just where the MVFC schools come from.

I just wonder why the MVC and MVFC are made up this way. Is the MVFC really just the landing ground for a big composite of FCS football schools that play in different conferences for baseball, basketball, volleyball, etc.?

Here is a quick link the the MVFC. http://www.valley-football.org/

I shudder at a world where we scuttle the football-playing, public university MVC members, and leave ourselves on the side of the remaining privates. I'll take the enrollment numbers and national profiles of the MVC publics over the MVC privates, any day of the week. Bradley would be the outlier, but who knows where they are headed long-term. The rest of the MVC privates are D2 schools masquerading as D1 schools.

[Dave Stalwart]

These are the 5 additional football schools and what league they are from:
Youngstown State - Horizon
South Dakota - Summit
South Dakota St. - Summit
North Dakota St. - Summit
Western ILL - Summit

Then you have MoST, ILL St, Indy St, UNI and So ILL

I guess I can see why our MVC doesn't want to do that, but the sad truth is that it's because WE are in it...carrying it. The non football half of our MVC is basically a bunch of teams that would do just fine in the Summit or Horizon league. Just cut WSU loose to fill out some good conference as a basketball only or send us to the A-10 at least and redo all of this stuff to make it make sense.

Just thinking out loud

[Dave Stalwart]

Or maybe just add the entire MVFC into this MVC for all sports. WSU leaves, making it 9 then replace us with those MVFC schools raising the non-football side to 14 schools but leave the football side exactly how it looks today with 10 schools.

[ripemupshocks]

B12 meets with Cincy:

bearcatsblog.com/2014-articles/sporting-news-big-12-met-with-cincinnati.html

www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2014-12-08/college-football-playoff-big-12-expansion-champions-bob-bowlsby-cincinnati-memphis-byu?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain

[1979Shocker]

Or maybe just add the entire MVFC into this MVC for all sports. WSU leaves, making it 9 then replace us with those MVFC schools raising the non-football side to 14 schools but leave the football side exactly how it looks today with 10 schools.

Or the MVFC teams leave the MVC and then the MVC can bring in basketball only quality teams.

[Jtaylor]

This is so good on so many levels...
Below is a post from CSNBBS... can anyone verify 'Carr Associates advised both MSU, JMU, and UAB"????
Its a better basketball league, and the combination of Mo St and Wichita St would solve the UAB problem. Carr Associates advised both Mo St, JMU, and UAB, so its possible they strongly advised Mo St to wait and see if they can get in CUSA with UAB dropping football.
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CUSA East
Marshall
ODU
Charlotte
FIU
FAU
W Ky
M Tenn St
UAB (BB only)
CUSA West
S Miss
La Tech
Mo St
UTSA
UTEP
Rice
North Texas
Wichita St (bb only)
The additions would make CUSA much more powerful in baseball and basketball.

THIS IS A POST FROM MISSOURI STATE MESSAGE BOARD
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[1972Shocker]

Does WSU really gain anything by joining CUSA? The Valley is currently ranked 10th in RPI and 9th in the Nolan Power Index while CUSA is ranked 16th in RPI and 16th in NPI.

Rice is attractive as a baseball school, but not sure about any of the other CUSA Schools.

As a football conference it is decidedly ho-hum at best and whose to say that FBS football won't become an anchor on those football playing schools the way it is now for the teams in the Valley that play FCS football.

I guess if you believe the Valley is going to implode at some point then perhaps you go for it if you don't have any better options.

[Jhook89]

I don't see many pros to this. Maybe security since we'd be attached to a football conference? Most those teams aren't the greatest bball schools... I say we do whatever it takes to get to the big east. Sell our souls. Or at least the a-10

[Dave Stalwart]

I don't see many pros to this. Maybe security since we'd be attached to a football conference? Most those teams aren't the greatest bball schools... I say we do whatever it takes to get to the big east. Sell our souls. Or at least the a-10

Where do I stand in line and who do I pay to get the Big East to concede a little on the "Catholic only" idea and bring in WSU and VCU.

12 teams. Perfect. It would also revive what ought to be our true rivalries with Creighton and VCU, and it would allow us to play DePaul even more often!

[Shock Top]

I don't see many pros to this. Maybe security since we'd be attached to a football conference? Most those teams aren't the greatest bball schools... I say we do whatever it takes to get to the big east. Sell our souls. Or at least the a-10

Only benefit I could see would be for East cost recruiting. Even then, the move sounds pretty "blah" to me.

Where do I stand in line and who do I pay to get the Big East to concede a little on the "Catholic only" idea and bring in WSU and VCU.

12 teams. Perfect. It would also revive what ought to be our true rivalries with Creighton and VCU, and it would allow us to play DePaul even more often!

They already conceded it themselves, by adding Butler. They are private, but not Catholic.

Although adding WSU and VCU would be great for basketball, it will not happen because neither are private and the Big East like the elitist ability to not share financial information.

[ripemupshocks]

This is so good on so many levels...
Below is a post from CSNBBS... can anyone verify 'Carr Associates advised both MSU, JMU, and UAB"????
Its a better basketball league, and the combination of Mo St and Wichita St would solve the UAB problem. Carr Associates advised both Mo St, JMU, and UAB, so its possible they strongly advised Mo St to wait and see if they can get in CUSA with UAB dropping football.
---------------------------
CUSA East
Marshall
ODU
Charlotte
FIU
FAU
W Ky
M Tenn St
UAB (BB only)
CUSA West
S Miss
La Tech
Mo St
UTSA
UTEP
Rice
North Texas
Wichita St (bb only)
The additions would make CUSA much more powerful in baseball and basketball.

THIS IS A POST FROM MISSOURI STATE MESSAGE BOARD
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This is so bad on so many levels.

[12eagle]

New Article by Lutz

http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/lutz-blog/article13095800.html

[Steeleshocker]

AAC would be a better fit.

Fewer games at altitude, better time slots for games, better name recognition opponents.

[Ta town]

AAC would be a better fit.

Fewer games at altitude, better time slots for games, better name recognition opponents.

8 of 16 games would be in Wichita for starters (obviously). Then having divisions, 5 of 8 road games would be in New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming and Utah. The other 3 would be far out there but so would trips to UCONN or USF for example.

I would be tickled to death with either or.

[calfan]

The only problem with the AAC is that a lot of teams in that league want to leave.

The MVC was suppose to be better this year, but ended up #11 in conference RPI in Warren Nolan.:

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2015/conference/American%20Athletic

To be fair, http://realtimerpi.com has the MVC at #7.

http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/conf_Men.html

The Mountain West is even worse than the MVC.

I will leave it to someone else to figure out why the big difference in rankings.

I think the best fit, if we leave the MVC, would be the Atlantic 10.
They need another team in the Midwest to go with St. Louis.