Coronavirus 2019-nCoV

[wufan]

And furthermore; why would you think tackling complex problems with a massive quantity of undefined variables using assumptions would be a good idea? You call yourself a scientist right? It's inherent in any logically trained mind that you NEVER assume anything. You'll assume that Covid is a Nothingburger-typical-virus, yet you won't assume that a world renown infectious disease specialist with over 50 years experience has a valid reason to be concerned with Covid-related cardiac complications? And you won't assume that Dr. Fauci is fully aware of every single one of the 20 known viruses known to cause myocarditis? Don't be like the naked emperor my friend. It's never too late to come to Jesus.

P.S. The folks you cause yourself to be associated with by your statements are of the lowest order of rationality.

Word salad from a know nothing ingrate. You should thank me for attempting to stop you from yourself. Some narcissists can’t be helped though.

Dinning Kruger.

[wufan]

Exactly what it means. Caracas, even during the early Maduro days was a very dangerous place. The socialistas down there like to 'help themselves'. Kidnapping is rampant, people get murdered for their cell phones and there is a lot of property crime.

My g/f's family served at cabinet (and sub-cabinet) levels of government (and those were not the ones who were doctors and lawyers), so they were at particular risk. A bodyguard is very handy down in those parts to ensure that you don't become a crime victim.

BTW, and I forgot to mention this, he was also a black-belt martial artist.

Forgive my ignorance. My family and family friends never traveled for foreign business.

I’m guessing you’re not a defund the police kind of leftist.

[wufan]

Absolutely. One of her brothers had a weekend home in Puerto la Cruz. He was going to go there and spend the weekend, but he had something come up at the last minute and his trip was delayed. He had a staff of Colombians he had just hired (IDK what happened to the old staff) who watched over the place, but when he got there, he found out that someone had tied them up and ransacked the place (probably would have been waiting for him.

He had to fire the Colombians because he couldn't tell whether this was a staged incident (and the Colombians were in on it) or not.

Also note that kidnapping is a cottage industry in Colombia, but at least they have a stable government and all the cocaine smuggling has switched routes to go through Venezuela (and the Venezuelan military is in on it as well).

You live in a totally different world than anybody I know. Someday I will tell you about the summer I worked for the Columbo Crime Family in New Jersey.

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

Maybe Khan is Hunter Biden??

[C0|dB|00ded]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/10-us-...ry?id=73251600

Only 10% of US adults may have COVID-19 antibodies: Study

A new study estimates that 90% of Americans may still be vulnerable.

More than 90% of U.S. adults remain susceptible to COVID-19, according to research published on Friday.

Using data from dialysis centers in the United States, the study, published in The Lancet, estimates that less than 10% of U.S. adults have virus antibodies, meaning everyone else is potentially vulnerable to infection.

Those figures roughly match those of a forthcoming Centers of Disease Control and Prevention study, according to CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, who spoke at a Senate hearing on Wednesday.

"The preliminary results in the first round show that a majority of our nation, more than 90% of the population, remains susceptible," said Redfield, referring to an ongoing CDC study assessing the prevalence of antibodies to better track how widely the virus has spread.

The Lancet study offers new details about the prevalence of COVID-19. Researchers at Stanford University studied 28,503 U.S. patients receiving dialysis in July 2020 and found that 8% of those sampled had COVID-19 antibodies -- 9.3% when standardized to the general U.S. adult population.

The study raises questions over "herd immunity," the idea that when enough a large enough population becomes immune the virus could die off. One big problem, experts have said, is that they don't yet know enough about how immunity to COVID-19 develops to say whether antibodies provide adequate protection from reinfection.

"What we know about antibodies is that things get a little dicey," said Dr. Jay Bhatt, an ABC News contributor and former chief medical officer of the American Hospital Association. "People don't have a uniformly consistent or strong antibody response, so the question is, 'Can we achieve herd immunity with this particular virus, or will that not be possible?'"

The results provide "yet another data point that helps us reinforce that there are significant amounts of people in this country that haven't been exposed to the virus," Bhatt added. "This study suggests that we have a long way to go to get to the kind of immunity we need to move past the virus."

A little bit disturbing to me. I've been going off the 10x infection to positive test ratio agreed on by many experts. That would have us at roughly 70 million infections and about 40% of the way to the 50% infection point where some herd immunity relief should start to be noticed. But now they're saying we are only 5x of positive tests? I guess the rationale would be that testing has become more thorough and fewer positives are falling through the cracks. Back in April we may have only been capturing 10% of the infections, but now we're tracking the vast majority bringing our "pandemic lifetime" multiplier down to 5x. Having the director of the CDC speak about the study in a convincing manner further cements its validity. :(

One thing I'd like to know is if they were testing for T cells. T cells can be very effective in killing viruses when standard serology tests would show little or no antibodies present. So many mysteries that still need to be solved. In the meantime: it would be best to avoid the alien plague.

[MoValley John]

My MD checks my antibodies every visit. She, yes my physician is a chick, thinks its cool to track antibodies in her pts. Went two weeks ago, antibodies still present. I think I may be lucky.

[C0|dB|00ded]

My MD checks my antibodies every visit. She, yes my physician is a chick, thinks its cool to track antibodies in her pts. Went two weeks ago, antibodies still present. I think I may be lucky.

Love it! Even if they aren't, your killer T's are likely just below the surface waiting for the chucklehead alien virus to resurface.

Actually looking forward to your prostate exam. Who woulda thunk it. Nice planning dude.

I believe my personal physician is gay... and I'm not even joking.

Very competent though (that means he can keep up with me...).

[ShockerFever]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/10-us-...ry?id=73251600

Only 10% of US adults may have COVID-19 antibodies: Study







A little bit disturbing to me. I've been going off the 10x infection to positive test ratio agreed on by many experts. That would have us at roughly 70 million infections and about 40% of the way to the 50% infection point where some herd immunity relief should start to be noticed. But now they're saying we are only 5x of positive tests? I guess the rationale would be that testing has become more thorough and fewer positives are falling through the cracks. Back in April we may have only been capturing 10% of the infections, but now we're tracking the vast majority bringing our "pandemic lifetime" multiplier down to 5x. Having the director of the CDC speak about the study in a convincing manner further cements its validity. :(

One thing I'd like to know is if they were testing for T cells. T cells can be very effective in killing viruses when standard serology tests would show little or no antibodies present. So many mysteries that still need to be solved. In the meantime: it would be best to avoid the alien plague.

Disturbing? I thought the whole mask and social distance thing was to curb infections? Now, you’re mad because less people have gotten infected?

At this point, nature has to take its course at some point. It’s a virus. We don’t even know if a vaccine will be effective if it mutates.

This is where personal responsibility needs to take over since we have effectively bent the curve for months now. If you feel vulnerable, don’t go out. Don’t go anywhere. If you do and you’re ok with the risks, then it’s on you. End of story.

[pinstripers]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/australian-firm-says-nasal-spray-015606729.html

nasal spray

[C0|dB|00ded]

Disturbing? I thought the whole mask and social distance thing was to curb infections? Now, you’re mad because less people have gotten infected?

At this point, nature has to take its course at some point. It’s a virus. We don’t even know if a vaccine will be effective if it mutates.

This is where personal responsibility needs to take over since we have effectively bent the curve for months now. If you feel vulnerable, don’t go out. Don’t go anywhere. If you do and you’re ok with the risks, then it’s on you. End of story.

You got one part right: "It's on you."

It's on each and every one of us to control the spread until a vaccine can be distributed. It is not anybody's PERSONAL RIGHT to "go out" and "live life" normally in the middle of a pandemic, morally speaking. Each time someone gets infected they infect another person. YOUR actions affect OTHER'S lives. This is the point the right-wing dimwits cannot seem to grasp. To be fair, they're not even trying to grasp it because they are sheep.

I was upset about the report of lower-than-expected infections because there are only two ways out of this nightmare: An effective vaccine that artificially creates herd immunity, or massive infection - like nothing even close to what we've seen so far - creating old fashioned herd immunity... through millions of deaths.

I was hoping for a combination effect of natural herd immunity (the young who clearly don't give AF) and the vaccine. We've had more than 200k deaths at this point and there's no reclaiming those lives. The young have likely contributed to most of those deaths in one way or the other. If we have all those deaths, at least we could get "paid" for them with a large amount of immune-bolstered individuals walking around. I was thinking/hoping for like 70M at this point. It appears I may have been off by half... :(

[revenge_of_shocka_khan]

You got one part right: "It's on you."

It's on each and every one of us to control the spread until a vaccine can be distributed. It is not anybody's PERSONAL RIGHT to "go out" and "live life" normally in the middle of a pandemic, morally speaking. Each time someone gets infected they infect another person. YOUR actions affect OTHER'S lives. This is the point the right-wing dimwits cannot seem to grasp. To be fair, they're not even trying to grasp it because they are sheep.

I was upset about the report of lower-than-expected infections because there are only two ways out of this nightmare: An effective vaccine that artificially creates herd immunity, or massive infection - like nothing even close to what we've seen so far - creating old fashioned herd immunity... through millions of deaths.

I was hoping for a combination effect of natural herd immunity (the young who clearly don't give AF) and the vaccine. We've had more than 200k deaths at this point and there's no reclaiming those lives. The young have likely contributed to most of those deaths in one way or the other. If we have all those deaths, at least we could get "paid" for them with a large amount of immune-bolstered individuals walking around. I was thinking/hoping for like 70M at this point. It appears I may have been off by half... :(

Were almost up to 1100 here as of today. We have a lot of latinx's here and I think it has something to do with us having one of the highest death rates in Texas.

[Kung Wu]

If you don't have a mask on and a person you are talking to also doesn't have a mask on but they have coronavirus, then you can have about 5 minutes of conversation until you have inhaled the potential critical mass of coronavirus particles necessary to "get" coronavirus.

What happens if you only had a 30 second conversation? A 4 minute conversation?

[MikeKennedyRulZ]

I wonder when the study of how the protests, looting, riots and violence contributed to the death toll will come out?

[C0|dB|00ded]

If you don't have a mask on and a person you are talking to also doesn't have a mask on but they have coronavirus, then you can have about 5 minutes of conversation until you have inhaled the potential critical mass of coronavirus particles necessary to "get" coronavirus.

What happens if you only had a 30 second conversation? A 4 minute conversation?

It only takes one replicable viral particle to infect.

Also, someone could spit in your mouth in the first second of conversation, or you could sit next to somebody on a train for an hour and not be infected.

Do you really want to aim for the average statistical infection point out of a large sample size? Be better!

And the best solution is to wear a mask when out in public and/or around "strangers". That changes the game in your (and everybody's) favor enormously.

[Kung Wu]

It only takes one replicable viral particle to infect.

Also, someone could spit in your mouth in the first second of conversation, or you could sit next to somebody on a train for an hour and not be infected.

Do you really want to aim for the average statistical infection point out of a large sample size? Be better!

And the best solution is to wear a mask when out in public and/or around "strangers". That changes the game in your (and everybody's) favor enormously.

You didn't answer the question.