Discussing Potential Future OOC Opponents

[jdshock]

I guess we should just continue to schedule Long Beach St, South Dakota St and Southern Nazarene every year and hope we win the conference tournament. Sounds like a smart way to go.

I'd rather TRY and win a road game than waste a game against 227 kenpom ranked Long Beach St and 187 SDSt that does nothing for us either than inflate our win total.

But, as noted, our NCSOS has actually been pretty good lately. And a win against 227 Long Beach St is better for our resume (in addition to the benefits of $$$ and satisfaction for our season ticket holders) than a loss to 50 (or whatever you're proposing) Wisconsin.

You're proposing buy games at places like Wisconsin, St. Mary's, etc. Schools that are almost certainly at the same level or inferior to Wichita State. You believe we have to get an away game against them, because they're unwilling to accept a home-and-home. There's a reason for that. Teams don't like to play on the road because it is risky. So, your response is that WSU should play more road games, not that teams like Wisconsin, St. Mary's, etc., should accept the incredibly good deal of a home-and-home with us.

[jdshock]

I'm thinking that might be a bad idea. Marshall wears his heart on his sleeve too much. Not necessarily a bad thing to the average joe, but a potential liability to someone in the public eye.

Now if we could get a 3G twitter account, but have someone more dry, reserved and witty run it, that'd be great. Kellen would knock it out of the park.

Honestly, I'll take whatever I can that makes HCGM less enticing to stuffy, t-shirt fans of blue bloods.

[SHOCKvalue]

Honestly, I'll take whatever I can that makes HCGM less enticing to stuffy, t-shirt fans of blue bloods.

A completely valid point.

[Play Angry]

Here is our OOC SoS over the last 5 years:

2016-17: 163
2015-16: 7
2014-15: 32 (switching to KenPom since WarrenNolan does not bifurcate its SoS for pre-2016)
2013-14: 35
2012-13: 75


Taking a one a done roadie would have done nothing for us in most of these seasons - our OOC SoS is already in the top decile if you weed out this year's nuclear event. What we "need" is for all of our OOC opponents to not swim face first into a propeller next season and beyond. What we don't need is take a buy game at St. Mary's or some other comparable program.

[XManCometh]

But, as noted, our NCSOS has actually been pretty good lately. And a win against 227 Long Beach St is better for our resume (in addition to the benefits of $$$ and satisfaction for our season ticket holders) than a loss to 50 (or whatever you're proposing) Wisconsin.

You're proposing buy games at places like Wisconsin, St. Mary's, etc. Schools that are almost certainly at the same level or inferior to Wichita State. You believe we have to get an away game against them, because they're unwilling to accept a home-and-home. There's a reason for that. Teams don't like to play on the road because it is risky. So, your response is that WSU should play more road games, not that teams like Wisconsin, St. Mary's, etc., should accept the incredibly good deal of a home-and-home with us.

I was just giving them as an example of teams we could play that would improve our resume over MES and Southern Naz. I'd gladly take a one-off road game with Wisconsin next year instead of MES or Long Beach State at home. I'm not saying we need to get rid of all of our fluff games, just one and add in another top 50 opponent. Even if we lose it's not going to hurt us much.

I also don't see why we couldn't do what another poster suggested above. Take a one-time road "neutral" court game against UCLA or Duke (or someone like that) that's near their home.

[WUpigsooie]

I guess we should just continue to schedule Long Beach St, South Dakota St and Southern Nazarene every year and hope we win the conference tournament. Sounds like a smart way to go.

I'd rather TRY and win a road game than waste a game against 227 kenpom ranked Long Beach St and 187 SDSt that does nothing for us either than inflate our win total.

I get your frustration and am not completely discounting your point. But I think if you really analyze it the best way to give yourself the highest chance to make the tournament is to schedule exactly how we did this year and bet that teams like OU, Long Beach, SDst, SLU, Tulsa, and LSU don't completely flop. The real hole in our resume was the complete dearth of opportunities from 51-100 in the RPI. All of the schools I listed above are generally safe bets to be just that over the last 5 years. Adding another loss in December (which if we are honest is what a buy game against a good team would have been at the beginning of the season) wouldn't have helped.

[Cdizzle]

I think we should play 13 home non-conference games against teams with an RPI of 49.

They will all be on Tuesday and Saturday nights at 7:05PM on ESPN.

[ShockerEngr]

I was just giving them as an example of teams we could play that would improve our resume over MES and Southern Naz. I'd gladly take a one-off road game with Wisconsin next year instead of MES or Long Beach State at home. I'm not saying we need to get rid of all of our fluff games, just one and add in another top 50 opponent. Even if we lose it's not going to hurt us much.

I also don't see why we couldn't do what another poster suggested above. Take a one-time road "neutral" court game against UCLA or Duke (or someone like that) that's near their home.

If we take the one off games like you suggest, we don't get OU, OSU, etc to come to Wichita. It's not trading MES for Wisconsin, its trading a home game with OU for a road game at Wisconsin.

[XManCometh]

Here is our OOC SoS over the last 5 years:

2016-17: 163
2015-16: 7
2014-15: 32 (switching to KenPom since WarrenNolan does not bifurcate its SoS for pre-2016)
2013-14: 35
2012-13: 75


Taking a one a done roadie would have done nothing for us in the most of these seasons - our OOC SoS is already in the top decile if you weed out this year's nuclear event. What we "need" is for all of our OOC opponents to not swim face first into a propeller next season and beyond. What we don't need is take a buy game at St. Mary's or some other comparable program.

I completely agree with the bold portion. StL completely screwed us over and so did OU and LSU this year. Luckily we have Ok-State next year which will be a good game. Maybe we need to start focusing on more perennial tournament teams that have a longer history of success for potential home/home series than some of these teams we're getting involved with.


I still don't think it'd hurt to do a one off road-only game with a solid top 30 team once in awhile instead of playing LBSt and Southern Naz. Even if you lose it's not hurting you.

[Play Angry]

Southern Nazarene, Newman, etc. are exactly the kind of "1 per year, no more" home games you want. We absolutely have to have a certain number of home games for revenue purposes, and a non-D1 opponent has literally zero impact on your RPI, KenPom, etc. - it is as if the game did not happen for those rankings. Much, much, much better than playing a typical SWAC doormat that tanks you to Hades on strictly result-based platforms (RPI) even if you win by forty.

We took on one extra roadkill opponent this year than we normally do (MD-ES) because of concerns with the pace of the rebuild/reload, and that game absolutely should be swapped for something better next season (hopefully a H-H starting wherever works).

[XManCometh]

I think we should play 13 home non-conference games against teams with an RPI of 49.

They will all be on Tuesday and Saturday nights at 7:05PM on ESPN.

It's settled! This is what we're doing!

We'll play 13 home games against the rotating trio of Northwestern, Monmouth and Princeton.

Our scheduling woes are solved!

:D

[Cdizzle]

I still don't think it'd hurt to do a one off road-only game with a solid top 30 team once in awhile instead of playing LBSt and Southern Naz. Even if you lose it's not hurting you.

LBSU had an average RPI of 105 over the past 5 seasons. If WSU can get non-conference opponents at home, with no return, with a 5-year track record of an RPI near 100, it would be incredibly misguided not to do so.

Sometimes, you just can't control everything. Maybe if the NCAA selection committee starts telling the value of a win over all teams 5 years in advance, we could get somewhere.

[pinstripers]

I'd like a home and home with Shaka and Texas

[pie n eye]

I think we should play 13 home non-conference games against teams with an RPI of 49.

They will all be on Tuesday and Saturday nights at 7:05PM on ESPN.

I agree with what Cdizzle stated above. If only the coaching staff would think this way instead of scheduling Drake and Evansville twice a year.

[Cdizzle]

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