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  • #16
    Originally posted by SHURTZtheHERTZ View Post
    It's the down week, plus I cant sleep, so I thought I would start a filler thread about an always fun topic. It sucks that OU and MSU are having down years, but there are still obvious bunnies on the schedule. I know we will never get the likes of KU and Duke to play, but I think they should you the network Marshall and WSU has to get a shot at getting some pretty decent games

    Say there are 8/9 home games a year, I think with teams WSU plays now, teams they have had series with, and with the friends WSU/Marshall have they could easy fill it out with some great opponents (This assumes no conference realignment, but we all would take that as well)


    Current Series To Continue

    OU - Yes they are having an awful year after their Final Four run, but Lon is a great coach and should be able to right the ship. 3Gs mentioned that he and Lon briefly spoke about extending the series beyond next year. It's a close travel for both teams. Both have basketball history. OU is in the BXII so that should never be a complete RPI killer. Seems like a no-brainer.

    OSU - I don't know what the conversation has been like between Brad and Marshall has been like, but I would work as hard as I could to lock this series down for as long as possible. Underwood is a fantastic coach and will make OSU a great program again (much to KSU's regret). Same positives mentioned about OU apply here. Would be great.

    Tulsa - This is more for nostalgia than anything. Tulsa has ebbed and flowed with success recently, but keeping an old school rivalry alive should still count for something. Unless something big time comes around (more on that later), this is probably on that is here to stay.

    Past Opponents/Series We Should Revisit

    Utah - As long as Krystkowiak is at the helm, Utah will be decent. Seems like that should be a bridge we should keep in operation

    UNLV - Though I'm not exactly sure WSU ever had an official series with UNLV, it sure felt like it. UNLV may not be what it once was, but it sure beats South Carolina State. Plus, I can think of a lot worse things than traveling to Vegas for a weekend game!

    Seaton Hall - The series was brief, but nice. Solid BE opponent. Opens up NY area recruitment. I's day that's a win.

    Memphis - This series was even briefer. New regime, but it would be fun to see this game played somewhere besides South Dakota.

    'Cuse - Remember that one time WSU played 'Cuse in the Carrier Dome and won? Wasn't that amazing? Though likely to be laughed at, I'd be more that happy to give them a second (and third) chance!

    Michigan St - Remember that one time we scheduled MSU? Would be nice to ever see that happen again.

    Depaul - Sorry, I had too. They follow WSU around so much at these tourneys that I feel we should throw them a bone... Maybe.... Could be worse...

    (and the obvious) Creighton - I hate them. You hate them. Let that not cloud our judgment, we miss them and if they are honest with themselves, they miss us. Just make this happen so we could have a true rivalry again.


    Old Friends and Faces - some of these aren't likely, but worth a phone call

    Cal - The reason I didn't mention Tennessee in the previous section is because Cuonzo is now at Cal (and now Cal is better). Gregg and Cuonzo seemed to have a good rapport with on another. I think a series is possible.

    Miami - This one is more of a reach, but we share that special Bracket Busters bond with Larranaga. Plus, I'd love a chance for WSU to get some revenge on full rest!

    Texas - Again, a reach, but Shaka is struggling right now. Maybe a series with an old "friend" will remind him of where he came from and what made him successful.

    SMU - nut-punching aside, Jankovich has kept the train running at SMU. He is in the MVC coaching fraternity, so who knows. Maybe Gregg has forgotten all about 2012. OK, probably not... but what the hell!

    KSU - Another MVC coaching fraternity member, but one in our own backyard. I know this has been discussed at length before and there is no telling how much longer KSU will ride with Webber, but it would be great if Marshall could convince BW of a series. Maybe the "We are less of pu$$!3s than KU" argument could work.

    Colorado - I know Doc said (thinks) that Tad wouldn't the most likely to schedule a series with WSU, but it would be good for the Buffs too. I know Tad is a KU guy, but he surely has a soft spot for WSU for the time he spent here. Maybe Gregg can butter him up in that regard.

    Maryland - Surprisingly, Doc also said (thinks) Turg would be more inclined to set a series up under the right circumstances. If that is true, this would be a slam dunk, home run, no brainier. I believe, deep down, Turg regrets his time at TA&M. Not for his career path per se, but because he lost that special connection and passion at WSU. Thank God he did, but I'd welcome him back so he can reminisce on the fond memories of 2006.


    Lost Connections

    UCONN
    UCLA
    Purdue

    I may be missing some, but I know these are a few teams that we've heard in the past that we were looking to schedule series with. I would take any and all of these and not think twice.

    Make Friends with Similar Programs

    Dayton - I know both teams were in Orlando last year. Maybe 3Gs and Archie did a little chatting. Would be a fun series with a very respectable program.

    VCU - Gone is Shaka, but VCU is still relevant. Could have worse friends.

    St. Marys - Hell, why not?

    Xavier - This is more of a bonus. I know they are in the BE, but the reason I put them in this category is because they don't fit in any other. Also, when we were in Orlando last year I was speaking with some big-time X alumni who were more than impressed with the Shox and their support. They were going to get their alumni group to recommend to they AD to schedule a H/H series. Hasn't lead to anything yet, but would be great if it did.

    Gonzaga - It's just too perfect that it will never happen. It's sad really.


    THE BIG DADDY, GRAND SLAM, SLAM DUNK, GOLD MEDAL WINNING , SERIES

    Kentucky - Now before you say how much of a long shot it is (It's huge), hear me out. If WSU has any chance to schedule a blue-blood, I believe Kentucky would be the best shot for one simple reason; Calipari. I think Calipari really respects WSU and REALLY respects Gregg after that epic heavyweight title match in the tournament. Hell, he was still talking about the Shox on Selection Sunday last year. If there was ever any slightest of possibilities of having the chance to schedule something with one of the bluest of the blue bloods, the Wildcats would be the answer.

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    I know scheduling isn’t as easy as it sounds, but with were this program is and with all the connections it has out there, they should be able to fill out the schedule with some great opponents.

    If the Shox train keeps on the course we all believe it will the rest of this season and next, hopefully teams will start begging WSU to play them.

    What say you all?

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    Other Possiblities I Added Later

    New Mexico
    San Diegio State
    Sorry Hertz but it took us a lot of posts to figure that your ideas weren't so possible. I wish you could have slept instead. :)

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    • #17
      Scheduling a couple of patsies this year looked like a good idea. A young team needed some "practice" games that counted to get their feet wet. Unfortunately, the non-cupcake games turned out to be less than expected, so the easy games to get the new guys comfortable didn't work out well either.

      Supposedly the committee looks at "did you even try" to schedule up. Louisville, Mich State, LSU, OU, and OSU are all evidence that the Shox were willing and tried to play as many "better" teams as possible. If our rpi was the same, and we didn't have any of the names on the schedule (see Illinois State as an example), it would not set as well with the committee.
      The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
      We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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      • #18
        Next year we could run the table in the non-con. Eff 'em all.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Dan View Post
          Next year we could run the table in the non-con. Eff 'em all.
          If we are healthy, I expect 0-1 losses in the non-con and the same in the MVC.
          Livin the dream

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          • #20
            I would like to win Maui.
            "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
              I would like to win Maui.
              Looking at the field, they should be the favorites.
              The Assman

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              • #22
                Originally posted by SHURTZtheHERTZ View Post
                Looking at the field, they should be the favorites.
                We're due to not suck in one of these tourneys!
                "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                • #23
                  I don't care who we schedule, where we schedule them, or Webb we schedule them! Just make it happen!

                  Schedule Blue Bloods on 3-1s, schedule bubble teams, schedule similar schools, hell, schedule Princeton! Anything to try and stick it to the NCAA and give them zero excuse or chance to screw WSU!

                  Might me time to go on that recommended Gary Parish "Kick Your A$$" Tour!
                  The Assman

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by SHURTZtheHERTZ View Post
                    I don't care who we schedule, where we schedule them, or Webb we schedule them! Just make it happen!

                    Schedule Blue Bloods on 3-1s, schedule bubble teams, schedule similar schools, hell, schedule Princeton! Anything to try and stick it to the NCAA and give them zero excuse or chance to screw WSU!

                    Might me time to go on that recommended Gary Parish "Kick Your A$$" Tour!
                    Agree. We need to schedule 2 maybe 3 games against the big boys at their place.

                    Im sure the losses will hurt us though, even though they shouldnt given how they dont hurt anyone else. Its all about throwing numbers at wins. Losses be damned!
                    "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SHURTZtheHERTZ View Post
                      Schedule Blue Bloods on 3-1s,
                      You have scheduled yourself at least 3 losses. Blue Bloods rarely lose at home. Only way you fix it is this:

                      1. Get rid of the Marylands of Eastern Shores of the world
                      2. Make sure maximize your tournaments (and win). You beat Blue Bloods on neutral floors. Also remember WSU went 0-3 versus non-conference Top 50. You have to take advantage of opportunities, WSU didn't.
                      3. Encourage the Conference commish to work out deal(s) with other conferences to get Top 50/100 opponents. MVC does this already. Try to get more like minded conferences (has another affect that keeps some of your conference mates from scheduling bad for at least 1 game).
                      4. Find a new conference.

                      The biggest problems WSU had this year is from this list is:
                      (2) WSU lost every good opportunity (Top 50) they got in non-conference. They should have won at least 2. And if they win 2 then they don't get as under seeded as their analytics would suggest.
                      (4) MVC sucked and their was no Top 50/100 opponents.
                      (1) It is one thing when you think you scheduled a decent team and they become a RPI killer, but there are some teams that you know are RPI killers. Don't schedule them.
                      Last edited by SB Shock; March 13, 2017, 12:15 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Our OCS was fine. The only problems were we weren't very good when we played our best opponents, the MVC was weak except for ISUR, the MVC didn't schedule tough including ISUR, our best win was against OU and their best player(Woodard went for 28 against us and would have been considered for POY in B12) was injured shortly after so they won very few Big 12 games. When we became good, our league was not good.

                        We didn't control very much of the above facts.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SB Shock View Post
                          (2) WSU lost every good opportunity (Top 50) they got in non-conference. They should have won at least 2. And if they win 2 then they don't get as under seeded as their analytics would suggest.
                          You have more faith in the committee than I.

                          If we'd won two more of those games, who knows what our KenPom would've been, but it would've been higher than number 8. Even at 32 wins, there's no way the committee gives us a 2 or 3 seed.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ShockerPrez View Post
                            Agree. We need to schedule 2 maybe 3 games against the big boys at their place.

                            Im sure the losses will hurt us though, even though they shouldnt given how they dont hurt anyone else. Its all about throwing numbers at wins. Losses be damned!
                            Any losses will be used against us. They are now.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by boltforge View Post
                              Any losses will be used against us. They are now.
                              Of course they would. Another double standard. At the end of the day, we need to win some of these early games.
                              "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
                                Our OCS was fine. The only problems were we weren't very good when we played our best opponents, the MVC was weak except for ISUR, the MVC didn't schedule tough including ISUR, our best win was against OU and their best player(Woodard went for 28 against us and would have been considered for POY in B12) was injured shortly after so they won very few Big 12 games. When we became good, our league was not good.

                                We didn't control very much of the above facts.
                                Two games were in WSU's control (OU, OSU). You could agrue the BFA was in WSU's control, but the opponents were not. I really wish WSU had a chance to play the Louisville or MSU games in February, but wishing gets you nowhere. The CSU game was the MVC/MWC challenge game, so it's a crapshoot who they draw from that.

                                It's clear the NCAA wants WSU to leave ZERO DOUBT every year. If that means not playing at home until conference play, well that's something to consider. (That's obviously a dramatization, but you get the point).

                                We all no one wants to play WSU, but WSU needs to put it out in the wide open how they will play ANYONE!! Go on TV, social media, radio, sing it from the mountain tops!! Make everyone turn on the P5s!!!
                                The Assman

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