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  • #31
    Originally posted by wufan View Post
    Marshall absolutely expects specific things from his PG, but I think all of those guys possess the majority of those traits, but perhaps not all. None of them are perfect PGs yet, but they all can be pretty dang good at it.
    Wufan is right. We've won before with point guards like Joe Ragland. FVV is a luxury and a rarity.

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    • #32
      Not only did we just win with a Joe Ragland, he took us to the Final Four and had a tremendous senior season.

      In my humble opinion, he ranks right up there (just below FVV) as one of the finest PG's we have ever put on the floor.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by 60Shock View Post
        Not only did we just win with a Joe Ragland, he took us to the Final Four and had a tremendous senior season.

        In my humble opinion, he ranks right up there (just below FVV) as one of the finest PG's we have ever put on the floor.
        Joe or Malcolm?
        "Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but by what you should accomplish with your ability."
        -John Wooden

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        • #34
          Originally posted by 60Shock View Post
          Not only did we just win with a Joe Ragland, he took us to the Final Four and had a tremendous senior season.

          In my humble opinion, he ranks right up there (just below FVV) as one of the finest PG's we have ever put on the floor.
          Tough getting old, isn't it. I should know.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by 60Shock View Post
            Not only did we just win with a Joe Ragland, he took us to the Final Four and had a tremendous senior season.

            In my humble opinion, he ranks right up there (just below FVV) as one of the finest PG's we have ever put on the floor.
            No we just won the NIT by a million points. Maybe I exaggerate but we won it with ease.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
              No we just won the NIT by a million points. Maybe I exaggerate but we won it with ease.
              Memories are fading, we won the game at VT on a last second shot by Ragland. And the championship game with Alabama came down to the last few minutes when Hatch hit an absolute dagger.
              You miss 100% of the shots you don't take....

              .....but, statistically speaking, you miss 99% of the shots you do take.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                If Austin does play some at the point he will have some advantages and disadvantages. His height will allow him to see over most point guards and would help when he takes the ball inside. Whether or not he has the speed and quickness to stay of D-1 point guards remains to be seen.

                He would certainly seem to possess the BBIQ.

                But if Austin is playing much at the point then perhaps Daishon and Samajae aren't working out. We'll see.

                Austin and Landry do give the Shocks an option of going big if they want to. Austin and Landry at the guards, Markis and Darral at the 3 and 4 and Shaq or Rauno at the 5. Although I would not expect to see a lot of that lineup.
                WSU could run out Shaq, Willis, McDuffie, Brown and Shamet, throw some Kentucky unis on them, and most people wouldn't know the difference.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Steeleshocker View Post
                  Memories are fading, we won the game at VT on a last second shot by Ragland. And the championship game with Alabama came down to the last few minutes when Hatch hit an absolute dagger.
                  Maybe I have early stages of dimentia. I don't think so. VT was 50/50 but we led Bama by 5-10 almost the entire way even it got a little close toward the end, we never trailed. The rest were by 20 or more. Imo we were playing good enough to make a deep run in the NCAA if we had made it.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
                    Maybe I have early stages of dimentia. I don't think so. VT was 50/50 but we led Bama by 5-10 almost the entire way even it got a little close toward the end, we never trailed. The rest were by 20 or more. Imo we were playing good enough to make a deep run in the NCAA if we had made it.
                    Let me help that memory:

                    vs Nebraska 76-49
                    @ Virginia Tech 79-76 (OT)
                    vs College of Charleston 82-75
                    vs Washington State 75-44
                    vs Alabama 66-57

                    Average MoV = 15, but it's weighed down by two blowouts. IIRC the semifinal against Washington State team had Klay Thomson that year.

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                    • #40
                      I'm not sure how quickly Austin will become a significant contributor. I hope it's quickly because I am sure we will be entertained when he's on the floor.
                      Where oh where is our T. Boone Pickens.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
                        Maybe I have early stages of dimentia. I don't think so. VT was 50/50 but we led Bama by 5-10 almost the entire way even it got a little close toward the end, we never trailed. The rest were by 20 or more. Imo we were playing good enough to make a deep run in the NCAA if we had made it.
                        I remember while playing that year's national champions how visible it was that they were sucking air during the game. Too bad Walker got so many freebies to even the game up.

                        If ANY team could have come from nowhere to be a Cinderella during the tournament that year, it was the Shocks. That was Marshall's first glimpse, of many to come, of the opinion "Yeah, but they haven't beaten anybody."

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ShockingButTrue View Post
                          I remember while playing that year's national champions how visible it was that they were sucking air during the game. Too bad Walker got so many freebies to even the game up.

                          If ANY team could have come from nowhere to be a Cinderella during the tournament that year, it was the Shocks. That was Marshall's first glimpse, of many to come, of the opinion "Yeah, but they haven't beaten anybody."
                          As I recall, one late "foul" away from going to the ff that year instead of vcu

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                          • #43
                            so many cliches.

                            freshman contribute quite frequently, surely in the "big" programs. is wichita state not capable of putting a true freshman on the floor?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by shoxtop View Post
                              As I recall, one late "foul" away from going to the ff that year instead of vcu
                              I have no doubt we could have done just that. We had LOTS of size that year.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FlyingWheat View Post
                                Let me help that memory:

                                vs Nebraska 76-49
                                @ Virginia Tech 79-76 (OT)
                                vs College of Charleston 82-75
                                vs Washington State 75-44
                                vs Alabama 66-57

                                Average MoV = 15, but it's weighed down by two blowouts. IIRC the semifinal against Washington State team had Klay Thomson that year.
                                We were up big against College of Charleston at half. Blowout time. Booked my ticket to New York. Andrew Goudelock started hitting every shot from half court in and i was sweating big time. Thrilled with the seven point lead.

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