Lutz takes on Gottlieb in the Eagle

[boyshocker]

I have turned doogie off in the afternoons, listened yesterday to his show just to hear Bob. I don't miss it at all.

[ShockerPrez]

I thought we didn't mind bandwagon fans. Its a big wagon.

Its just starting to look small. We need to wait until March to unload on these candy asses.

And when bandwagoners start using 'WE' and 'my' it annoys me.

[molly jabali]

No, everyone starts out as a bandwagon fan. The more the merrier. You can only them hate them when they abandon the team once they start losing. Fortunately for us, Wichita is an anomaly in that bandwagon fans tend to become permanent fans as shown by our attendance numbers even during the lean years.

Well, a SMALL point of disagreement...I have a friend who has for years been a STRONG OSU fan...and still is. But now he spouts non stop pro-Shocker conversation, but with almost no historical perspective..."when did Ramon Clemente play???"

[Flip1381]

I thought we didn't mind bandwagon fans. Its a big wagon.

It would have to be a BIG wagon for Kirstie Alley!! Haha

She's on this wagon because she fell off the weight watchers wagon!! haha

I wish I had more.

[Shock Therapy]

Well, a SMALL point of disagreement...I have a friend who has for years been a STRONG OSU fan...and still is. But now he spouts non stop pro-Shocker conversation, but with almost no historical perspective..."when did Ramon Clemente play???"

I've been a pretty hardcore fan for 10-11 years and I don't know every player that played before I was a fan or when they played. Not many people do. Don't beat on new fans until they jump off the bandwagon.

[ShockTalk]

@PaulS:uellentrop: Doug Gottlieb did two things that put him on an island: called Bob Lutz a homer and questioned Fred VanVleet as a top point guard.

Apparently, Gotlube didn't watch FVV as a freshmen backup and his opposing athletic guards in the Dance. I will assume he thinks that's "top competition".

I averaged the production of Pangos, Craft, Smith and Siva in the games they played against WSU.

Average: 37 mpg, .273 FG%, 14.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.25 apg, 3.25 TOpg

VanVleet : 20 mpg, .345 FG%, 7.2 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.20 apg, 1.00 TOpg

For 37 m : 37 mpg, .345 FG%, 13.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.85 TOpg

As a note, Fred averaged more mpg (4) than his season average and his point production increased by 3 pg during the Dance.

[KC Shox]

This guy really says FVV is a weakness

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/pla...lieb/1998-1999

His career FT percentage was 45? For realz?

[pogo]

Apparently, Gotlube didn't watch FVV as a freshmen backup and his opposing athletic guards in the Dance. I will assume he thinks that's "top competition".

I averaged the production of Pangos, Craft, Smith and Siva in the games they played against WSU.

Average: 37 mpg, .273 FG%, 14.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.25 apg, 3.25 TOpg

VanVleet : 20 mpg, .345 FG%, 7.2 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.20 apg, 1.00 TOpg

For 37 m : 37 mpg, .345 FG%, 13.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.85 TOpg

As a note, Fred averaged more mpg (4) than his season average and his point production increased by 3 pg during the Dance.

How many times do I have to point out that facts just ruin a good story so most people don't even worry about them.

[jocoshock]

@SethDavisHoops: Marshall but he'd have to catch Doug first RT @JoshTHowell: Who would win a fight between Gregg Marshall and @GottliebShow?

[HockeyShock]

For an encore, we should try to get Dennis on the Goob Show.

[MadaboutWu]

For an encore, we should try to get Dennis on the Goob Show.

Just as long as I'm not listening.

[WuDrWu]

The thing about this argument that bothers me is the (constant and continued) BCSish bias towards NBA upside and name on the front of the jersey. Or, "I like the ingredients, the recipe or the dish doesn't matter as much.

It's almost as if "I don't care about results, I know how good they COULD be, so that's my team." Much less weight is given to consistency and actually winning.

Now, I do get that if Syracuse and Arizona only played each other, but did so 30 times and both teams were 15-15, you'd be hard pressed to argue they still weren't one of the best teams in the country. And you can take that scenario and apply it (mostly) to a team like KU who has played an extremely challenging schedule.

It still seems to me that some teams are judged on their best performances and their worst are brushed aside, while others are judged on their worst performances while their best are dismissed.

[BOBB]

For an encore, we should try to get Dennis on the Goob Show.

I support a Dennis and Ron denial of service attack on Gottlieb. Filling his airwaves with their drunken nonsense.

[small tyme baller]

Hadn't read the entire thread yet ... But Gottlieb is a tool ... That is all

[AndShock]

Gottlieb will be on Bob's show at 9:20 Thursday morning.