Big 12 is sooooo overrated as BB conference......

[Royalno5]

The big eight was a great basketball conference the big twelve is not.

[1972Shocker]

The big eight was a great basketball conference the big twelve is not.

Not sure I'm buying that.

KU has been good for a long time, but they had some down years in the Big 8. They haven't in the Big 12.

KSU was better in those days.

OU, OSU, ISU, and CU were all probably worse in those days. Billy Tubbs had to drag the Big 8 into the modern era..

MO was ok but probably not as good as Texas. Nebraska flat sucked.

Maybe if you way back into Big 8 history but the quality of basketball and depth of players is far superior in the Big 12.

[another shocker]

To your point I don't think KU would have even pulled off 10 straight in the Valley.

no they wouldn't have, without a doubt. i posted that same thing much earlier this season and all of the sudden bob lutz went on a season long, ramped up "valley sucks" crusade. good job, bob gottlieb.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

To your point I don't think KU would have even pulled off 10 straight in the Valley.

no they wouldn't have, without a doubt.

I'm curious why you both think this. The Big 12 has had a top 4 seed (not named KU) in each of the 10 seasons during KU's streak. Prior to this year, the MVC had never had a team seeded better than a 4, and most years the top team has been significantly worse than that. What about the MVC makes you think anyone would have knocked off KU in a given year? Are you assuming it would have been WSU this year to do it?

[WstateU]

What about the MVC makes you think anyone would have knocked off KU in a given year? Are you assuming it would have been WSU this year to do it?

Yes, at least debatable...

[jocoshock]

The B12 and its predecessor the B8, are and were football conferences. KU is, and always has been a basketball school, that puts more effort into being a good basketball team than all of tne other conference schools combined. That is why they dominate their conference.

And that is why the other schools are chronic under achievers.

In that respect, they are definitely overrated as a basketball conference.

[BostonWu]

I'm curious why you both think this. The Big 12 has had a top 4 seed (not named KU) in each of the 10 seasons during KU's streak. Prior to this year, the MVC had never had a team seeded better than a 4, and most years the top team has been significantly worse than that. What about the MVC makes you think anyone would have knocked off KU in a given year? Are you assuming it would have been WSU this year to do it?

I simply believe that given 10 freaking chances that either WSU or CU would of knocked KU off a hypothetical MVC championship. We'll never be able to prove it be given their struggles against the league it's completely possible. Sure they'd still dominate but I don't think they run off 10 straight championships.

[WuShock16]

I simply believe that given 10 freaking chances that either WSU or CU would of knocked KU off a hypothetical MVC championship. We'll never be able to prove it be given their struggles against the league it's completely possible. Sure they'd still dominate but I don't think they run off 10 straight championships.

While we are on that topic, I also believe that if you gave Wichita State home games against Kansas in each of the last 31 years,the Shockers would find a way to have better than a 3-28 record.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

While we are on that topic, I also believe that if you gave Wichita State home games against Kansas in each of the last 31 years,the Shockers would find a way to have better than a 3-28 record.

Yes, the projected W/L would have to be better than 3-28. Just like WSU exceed any possible projected W/L this year by going 34-0 in the regular season, the Wildcats that you reference have exceeded expectations, only in the other direction. ;-)

[another shocker]

I'm curious why you both think this. The Big 12 has had a top 4 seed (not named KU) in each of the 10 seasons during KU's streak. Prior to this year, the MVC had never had a team seeded better than a 4, and most years the top team has been significantly worse than that. What about the MVC makes you think anyone would have knocked off KU in a given year? Are you assuming it would have been WSU this year to do it?

siu in '06. uni in '10. shockers in '12 and this year. surely, even you must know that ku wouldn't win 10 straight in the mvc. doesn't go down like that. it's not even arguable.

no way in hell does ku win ten straight mvc titles. no way. and don't be so offended, ku lutz, like you were the last time i said that on this board. you went on an anti-shocker mvc tirade, like you got sand in your *****.

[ShockerFever]

Yes, the projected W/L would have to be better than 3-28. Just like WSU exceed any possible projected W/L this year by going 34-0 in the regular season, the Wildcats that you reference have exceeded expectations, only in the other direction. ;-)

Were you intoxicated when you typed this? Or groggy after the milk and nappy time?

[Kung Wu]

I'm curious why you both think this. The Big 12 has had a top 4 seed (not named KU) in each of the 10 seasons during KU's streak. Prior to this year, the MVC had never had a team seeded better than a 4, and most years the top team has been significantly worse than that. What about the MVC makes you think anyone would have knocked off KU in a given year? Are you assuming it would have been WSU this year to do it?

Seeding is often skewed toward RPI, and RPI is clearly skewed toward inbred power conferences.

Bradley beat KU as a crappier seed in '06.
SIU nearly did it in '07.
UNI did it in '10.

So we can see that seeding isn't really that relevant to this argument. A better way to analyze this would be penis length. MVC students (which obviously encompasses the subset of student athletes) have longer penises [1], and therefore KU wouldn't be able to win the conference 10 straight in the MVC. QED

[1] Mom, JH4P's. An Oral Study On MVC vs Big 12 Penis Length. Unpublished video.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

The trolls continue to prove that anything but praise of WSU and tearing down of KU is not allowed on this board.

siu in '06. uni in '10. shockers in '12 and this year. surely, even you must know that ku wouldn't win 10 straight in the mvc. doesn't go down like that. it's not even arguable.

don't be so offended

It is a closed case then. Another shocker has spoken. Debate over.

FYI, show me where I was offended. Just trying to have a conversation but apparently my viewpoint is not allowed here.

Seeding is often skewed toward RPI, and RPI is clearly skewed toward inbred power conferences.

Bradley beat KU as a crappier seed in '06.
SIU nearly did it in '07.
UNI did it in '10.

So we can see that seeding isn't really that relevant to this argument.

The logic in your argument is horrendous. The rest of your post tells me I shouldn’t waste my time explaining why.

A better way to analyze this would be penis length. MVC students (which obviously encompasses the subset of student athletes) have longer penises [1], and therefore KU wouldn't be able to win the conference 10 straight in the MVC. QED

[1] Mom, JH4P's. An Oral Study On MVC vs Big 12 Penis Length. Unpublished video.

With the exception of WSU in 2014, the 2nd place team in the Big 12 has been ranked higher in KenPom’s rankings than the top ranked MVC team each of the past 10 years. We can argue the likelihood that WSU would have won the conference outright with KU in it this year, and that is why I specifically singled that topic out in a previous post. However, I haven’t seen a single logical reason why KU would be expected to have finished anything other than 1st during the other 9 seasons. Now trolling and illogical gibber jabber…. I’ve seen plenty of that. RoyalShock is right. This board is way too hostile to any viewpoints that don’t praise WSU.

[shockmonster]

Jamar. You fight too hard for the flagship and their causes to be considered just an objective Shocker fan.

[ShockerFever]

Jamar. You fight too hard for the flagship and their causes to be considered just an objective Shocker fan.

Oh come on. Everyone here but Jamar are the trolls. Jamar is the voice of reason and sanity, and tells things like they actually are.

Everybody else is the problem. Duh.