#15 Wichita State vs. Indiana State GAME THREAD

[SubGod22]

Cotton was our best three point shooter last night. For whatever that's worth.

[shoxlax]

Not sure which assistant had the scout for them but I'm sure today I wouldn't want to be him.

[xazshox]

2-3 Zone Defense

We sit in Section 124, row 22. While watching WSU play last night, I was reminded of the movie, "Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid" years ago.They were being chased by a posse & they kept saying, "Who are those guys"? That's what I thought about WSU last night, "Who are those guys"? It was a different team than I was used to seeing play.

Is it possible to run screens against a 2-3 Zone? Wiggins went into the game several times, but he never got an open look. I agree with what others pointed out here. Williams would get the ball & stand there with it looking inside without doing anything with it. Carl Hall would be open for a bit, but the defense would then surround him & it would be too late to get him the ball then. The whole offense was pathetic. People all around me were yelling, "Move"!

[ShockerFever]

When MA looks at the game tape I hope he looks at how a consistently quality point guard handles his team. Odum didn't have a sparkling stat line, but he orchestrates all of what the trees do on offense. He looks unorthodox, but he gets to places Mal doesn't, thus creates quality scoring opportunities. Mal takes more three's off the dribble than any guard we have ever had. If they were coming off ball screens that would be one thing, but they aren't. When we aren't rock solid on defense and rebound, this team struggles due to our guard play. Get it fixed now.

This has also bothered me lately as well. Again, it gets even further magnified with losses. 90% of the 3 pointers MA takes can literally be taken at any point of time, every time down the floor. He acts like it's 5th grade HORSE. Just chuck and chuck. He needs to find a dictionary and see what the main purpose of a point guard is. Shooting is not high on the list of what they do, especially when you're not that good at it.

For how great a defender and ball stealer MA gets credit for, he's worse as a guard that takes bad shots and turns the ball over, thus neutralizing something he does best at.

[SubGod22]

I've noticed it a lot lately and it becomes even more obvious in a loss. I really like DWill but his flat-out refusal to feed the post or sometimes not even bat an eyelash at it is really starting to piss me off. I dunno how many times post players like would establish amazing position, especially on a break, and watch DWill just simply ignore it. Very old and tiresome. It's not a very great formula to win basketball games against good teams. MA is guilty of this too, but it's really prevalent with DWill. The **** needs to change. Quick. I'm not a coach but one must hope Marshall sees this when they go over hours of game tape.

I'm waiting for Hall or Early to have a Stutz moment and when DWill wants them to give up good/great position posting up to come set him a screen so he can jack up a three, to refuse and scream at him to give him the damn ball. I was so proud of Garrett when he did that and would love to see someone in the post do it again.

I think Williams is shooting around 28% from deep. He doesn't need to be shooting 7 times a game from out there if he can't find his shot. Armstead is down to 33% or so and jacking up 8 shots. Unless you're hitting, that's way too many for someone with their percentages. If Wiggy shoots 8 from deep I'm okay with it as that's what he does best.

FEED THE POST. At the very least, LOOK at the post and pretend you're thinking about it!

[ShockerFever]

Shocker. CBB in here with 9 paragraph novels.

Yup, must be a loss.

[CBB_Fan]

Shocker, CBB in here with 9 paragraph novels.

Yup, must be a loss.

Please post constructively. This post, and many others directed towards me, have been the very definition of troll posts. Even my "paragraph novels" have been mostly constructive posts that aid discussion, and often those posts mirror the same points you yourself have made.

[shock]

I think the emotions here pretty much sum everything up...

[ShockerFever]

More than anything, I just find it funny that you have so much to say after losses. I think it's cute.

[im4wsu]

I won't read this thread. The performance sucked -- passes hitting guys in the chest because they weren't looking. Every loose ball ISU got a time out. Can't make baskets from 6 inches.

Speaking of inches, the inch of snow on the way home was blowing like it was Terre Haute--couldn't see the road. Sucked.

Well, if anything could go wrong, it did. Even the box score posted on goshockers.com is a duplicate of the bradley box score, not the ISU box score. Guess I just have to conclude it wasn't WSU's day.

[CBB_Fan]

More than anything, I just find it funny that you have so much to say after losses. I think it's cute.

Should I think it is cute that you appear to be obsessing over me (seriously, you had your signature and profile dedicated to me), or that you constantly try to provoke an emotional reaction from me?

I don't think it is any surprise I speak more after a loss. When we when, I look forward to the next game. When we lose, I look back at what happened. No mystery to that, it is human nature. Besides which, you tend to ignore my posts except after a loss. I have 9 posts with the last 14 hours, but 13 more within the last 2 days. It isn't like I never post unless we lose and then get 100 posts after every loss.

[Shoxfan11]

There was one play where CH had Eitel posted up down low, and they STILL refused to pass it to him.

That is ridiculous.

[shoxlax]

Last years team of our bombs away threats (Ragland, Kyles, and Smith) and a good post passer (Stutz) would've destroyed the Trees last night.

They are not a good match up for us especially when we look unprepared for their game plan.

[newshock1234]

Please post constructively. This post, and many others directed towards me, have been the very definition of troll posts. Even my "paragraph novels" have been mostly constructive posts that aid discussion, and often those posts mirror the same points you yourself have made.

the truth most hurt

[Kung Wu]

Malcolm wears two hats:

When he is wearing his hard hat he values each possession and the ball, hustles his ass off on defense, maintains a "pass first" mentality and he is really damn good. His peripheral vision is outstanding. So when he wears his hard hat he ends up getting the offense flowing and ends up getting to make some really big crowd pleasing plays without even trying to. He brings that hard hat to about 80 or 85% of his games.

Which leads me to the other hat ... his pimp hat. When he wears his pimp hat he gets selfish, tries to take the game over by himself, forces passes that aren't there, jacks up three balls early in the shot clock before other players get into position, and generally just doesn't let the game develop.

I hate it when he wears his pimp hat. Fortunately it's not often.