Marshall Has Spoken!

[1972Shocker]

Asking Schaus for permission to talk with HCGM is pretty much just an accepted protocal and formality. Not sure I have ever heard a case where permission was denied, although there may well be some cases.

Not sure that you could legally keep USC and HCGM from talking if even permission was denied.

[ripemupshocks]

This is not at all what I expected CGM to say. I thought he would close the door on the SC speculation. So let me be the first to say, I WAS WRONG. But I think the sun will still come up tomorrow. Of course, if it's still cloudy, we won't see it.
;-)

He did close the door on the speculation..... at least for the rest of the season.

No he didn't. He simply won't talk about it. That doesn't mean you and I can't speculate on what he may do if offered.

[BA2929]

Asking Schaus for permission to talk with HCGM is pretty much just an accepted protocal and formality. Not sure I have ever heard a case where permission was denied, although there may well be some cases.

Not sure that you could legally keep USC and HCGM from talking if even permission was denied.

Look at the VCU coach's odd buyout clause:

Grant is paid about $300,000 annually at VCU. His contract includes a rather unusual buyout clause. Should he leave for another school, that school would be required to either pay VCU $75,000 or agree to a home-and-home series.

[PCDShocker]

Some of you guys are dopes! Just exactly what did you expect him to say. He is not going to "take his name out of consideration" if he hasn't been contacted by South Carolina. There is no cause for him to do that. He restated his committment to building Shocker basketball to level of excellence we all expect. And frankly he would be stupid not to consider future opportunities if it would be a better situation for him and his family. He did noting more or less than anyone here on this board would do regarding their own careers. Today and for the forseeable future his job is being the head coach at WIchita State. In contrast, let's face it, if he loses the rest of the games this season, this board and many Shocker faithful will be calling for his head.

[vbird53]

Asking Schaus for permission to talk with HCGM is pretty much just an accepted protocal and formality. Not sure I have ever heard a case where permission was denied, although there may well be some cases.

Not sure that you could legally keep USC and HCGM from talking if even permission was denied.

Apparently, VCU and their athletic administration disagree with your thoughts...

http://www.thestate.com/gamecocks/story/291860.html

(Someone else posted this earlier.)

[ripemupshocks]

This is not at all what I expected CGM to say. I thought he would close the door on the SC speculation. So let me be the first to say, I WAS WRONG. But I think the sun will still come up tomorrow. Of course, if it's still cloudy, we won't see it.
;-)

He did close the door on the speculation..... at least for the rest of the season.

How does one "close the door on speculation?" Unless, by "closing the door" you meant closing the door and keeping all the speculation in the room. In which case, he did "close the door."

You close the door on speculation by making a definitive statement. Such as, If asked to interview for the SC job, I will refuse. Because I do not want the SC job. Door closed.

[rZ]

How anticlimactic...waited around all day for that. But Sub is right, it was just to get people to calm down a little.

I don't see how this statement serves to calm anyone down, in fact, it probably will just add to the angst among the fan base. The purpose of this statement is to keep Coach Marshall from having to waste time in dealing with an issue that may or may not actually become a real issue at some point. I can't blame him for that.

It sure would have been nice to have a definitive I'm staying, but unfortunately, HCGM is not ready to make that commitment at this point.

I understand your point, but most "fans" aren't sitting on their computer analyzing Coaches statement word by word like we all are. I'm sure most just heard that "he isn't leaving," called it a day and wont give a second thought until "The Bruce" talks about it for 3 hours tomorrow morning.

[KC Shox]

In contrast, let's face it, if he loses the rest of the games this season, this board and many Shocker faithful will be calling for his head.

I seriously doubt that. We all know that this team has been hurt by injuries, players not playing up to their potential, players playing out of position, undersized, etc. We all understand that this is no fault of Gregg Marshall's. He is playing the cards that were dealt to him. We also understand that it takes a couple of years for a new coach to cycle out the players from the old regieme and to bring in the players that fit the new coach's system.

GM has already recruited a fantastic class for next season. So please don't jump to conclusions and those Shocker fans who do scream for GM's head on a plate after this season are idiots and probably band-wagon fans, KU or K-Suck flamers in disguise on this board, or people who just don't understand the game.

[1972Shocker]

While this situation is nerve-racking for Shocker fans, it does give Jim Schaus plenty of time to have his own Plan A, B and C in place, in the event the HCGM would leave.

Based on what has been reported so far, I think there is only about a 25% chance that HCGM will not be our Coach next year.

I think HCGM would probably take the job if offered, but right now I'm betting SC will reel in Anthony Grantm Scott Drew or Bobby Lutz.

I think the best way to proceed is to assume HCGM is here to stay for the foreseeable future. May not work out that way, but chances are it will.

[WSUwatcher]

Here it comes

You nailed it, ASM.

The cynics, the insecure idiots, the people who suck at life enough that they spend all their time worrying about this sort of speculation, and the TV and newspaper clowns trying to hang on to a story -- and potentially damaging WSU's recruiting in the process, as if they cared -- will have a field day. Of course, nothing Marshall could have said would have satisfied them anyway, because there are plenty of examples available of coaches saying there weren't leaving, weren't candidates for a given job, etc., etc., who then went on and did exactly the opposite. If Marshall had withdrawn his name from speculation, they'd have just pointed to people like Nick Saban and said that you can't believe what coaches say anyway. So saying that it would have been nice for Marshall to be unequivocal is a crock, because an unequivocal statement only matters if you believe it, BOBB, and most of this crew wouldn't have believed it anyway.

As verbeak notes, if Marshall had thought he was the heir apparent at South Carolina he could have stayed in his comfortable job at Winthrop, making decent money, being king of Rock Hill SC, and biding his time. After all, Dave Odom didn't accumulate his disappointing SEC record overnight, and he didn't suddenly turn 65. I didn't know Odom was that old, because I don't care about South Carolina basketball -- but you can bet Marshall did. And yet he left and got himself into a challenging situation at WSU that he's about to recruit his way out of.

So we're now supposed to believe that he'd go back, start over yet again, and re-enact this year -- or worse -- in a conference where it's tougher to win big than it is in the Valley? Yeah, right.

:roll:

[60Shock]

I thought for sure that the only reason he would call for a press conference would be to either state positively that he was not interested in any SCU offer or that he had been offered the job and had accepted it.

Otherwise, he could have made this very well worded but non-committal statement anytime.

You are in complete denial if you think this is a positive statement and that he won't take the SCU job if offered.

Personally, if he is going to go, I would rather it be announced sooner than later. At least then we could get a new coach committed sooner.

It was bad enough to lose one recruiting class, but it will be devasting to our program to lose two classes in a row.

If I was the WSU AD, I would keep it to myself, but I would be making up contingency plans and forming a list of possible replacements just in case GM is offered the SCU a few months down the line.

[BA2929]

This is not at all what I expected CGM to say. I thought he would close the door on the SC speculation. So let me be the first to say, I WAS WRONG. But I think the sun will still come up tomorrow. Of course, if it's still cloudy, we won't see it.
;-)

He did close the door on the speculation..... at least for the rest of the season.

How does one "close the door on speculation?" Unless, by "closing the door" you meant closing the door and keeping all the speculation in the room. In which case, he did "close the door."

You close the door on speculation by making a definitive statement. Such as, If asked to interview for the SC job, I will refuse. Because I do not want the SC job. Door closed.

Lets say he did say that. What happens if in 5 years the SC job opens back up and he's ready to move on, but they don't look at him because he already said he didn't want the job? He'd be costing himself hundreds of thousands of dollars and possibly a lifetime dream of coaching SC. Just because you want him to say something so you can sleep better at night doesn't mean its in HCGM's best interest for his future.

[1972Shocker]

Asking Schaus for permission to talk with HCGM is pretty much just an accepted protocal and formality. Not sure I have ever heard a case where permission was denied, although there may well be some cases.

Not sure that you could legally keep USC and HCGM from talking if even permission was denied.

Apparently, VCU and their athletic administration disagree with your thoughts...

http://www.thestate.com/gamecocks/story/291860.html

(Someone else posted this earlier.)

Thet did not deny permission, they simply said not during the season, which I think is a reasonable position and one that most parties would gladly honor.

Now if SC can't wait that long then that is their decision. I suspect they have no problem waiting.

Now if SC and Coach Grant decided to get together without permission I'm not sure what laws they have broken, although Coach Grant may have some prohibitions about such contact in his contract. I have no idea, but that is a civil matter.

Do you know of any cases where contact has been flat out denied?

[Ta town]

In contrast, let's face it, if he loses the rest of the games this season, this board and many Shocker faithful will be calling for his head.

Thats a load of S*** and you know it. Everybody knows what he is working with this year.

Nobody cares what happens this year. If anything the only area Marshall has had a chance to prove himself in he has!!!!! He has put together, at least on paper, a great recruiting class. Only a person without reason would blame this season on Marshall.

What will happen if Marshall leaves will be devastating. WSU will then have the fruits (or lack there of) of two straight recruiting classes without a head coach. Cause none of those four dudes would stay with WSU if Marshall was to leave.

I like Coach Marshall a lot but if he truly considers himself a candidate (which he obviously does since he didn't close the door on the possiblility) then he should have never accepted the WSU job in the first place because it was apparent last year that the USC job was going to be opening sometime in the near future.

I want Marshall to leave eventually. Simply because that will mean he was successful here and thats what we want. Even maybe only a 3 year stint. Leaving this program and the condition it's in after less than a year is basically giving it a death slip for the next 3-4 years. It's wrong, epecially when that program is treating you so well.

I was hoping for a more difinitive statement otherwise just keep quiet about the whole thing. Because this is what I heard.

"I would like to be a candidate for the USC job without putting the job I have now, which is pretty good and pays well, on the line incase I don't get the USC job."

Again I like Marshall a lot and understand thats his home but to show up here for 10 months then leave would be devastating and would be wrong.

[BA2929]

Asking Schaus for permission to talk with HCGM is pretty much just an accepted protocal and formality. Not sure I have ever heard a case where permission was denied, although there may well be some cases.

Not sure that you could legally keep USC and HCGM from talking if even permission was denied.

Apparently, VCU and their athletic administration disagree with your thoughts...

http://www.thestate.com/gamecocks/story/291860.html

(Someone else posted this earlier.)

Thet did not deny permission, they simply said not during the season, which I think is a reasonable position and one that most parties would gladly honor.

Now if SC can't wait that long then that is their decision. I suspect they have no problem waiting.

Now if SC and Coach Grant decided to get together without permission I'm not sure what laws they have broken, although Coach Grant may have some prohibitions about such contact in his contract. I have no idea, but that is a civil matter.

Do you know of any cases where contact has been flat out denied?

I don't think any school would be dumb enough to flat out deny someone to talk to their coach. You do that once, everyone remembers and some might return the favor after your coach leaves.