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  • Originally posted by Aargh View Post
    I was dumfounded when I saw there was no mitigation clause in Marshall's resignation agreement. I've had a few days to digest that and come to the conclusion that there are only two ways that can happen.

    1) WSU's lawyers were utterly incompetent.
    2) Marshall was willing to go to court and take Boatright down because of how the situation was handled when it first occurred, and didn't care if he took himself down in the process.

    I don't think WSU's lawyers were incredibly incompetent. I think Boatright sold out the athletic department's finances in an effort to save his own butt. Marshall always said he wanted to retire early and he knew that Boatright had blood on his hands in this deal, so Marshall had the upper hand in the negotiations. Marshall knew that in a court fight he'd take a lot of heat, but so would Boatright. Marshall was ready to retire and Boatright wasn't.

    The level of people running WSU's athletic department hasn't kept pace with the level of WSU athletics. Boatright is "probably" better than Sexton. Marshall had a multi-year association with Boatright and knew that he (Marshall) pretty much controlled Boatright and could do whatever he (Marshall) wanted. That included the absence of a mitigation clause in the exit contract. Boatright is using donor money to save his sorry butt.
    Only logical explanation for the lack of a mitigation clause - WSU AD was complicit regards Marshall's behavior. I wonder how many former Shocker players complained to the AD?

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    • Originally posted by Good News View Post

      I don't disagree with any of that and didn't know about the property tax but I was talking about making $3M a year in Austin Texas coaching basketball, not living in a trailer on South Congress and hanging out at the Chuggin Monkey
      No doubt UT can sign a blank check, but marshall came to WSU because he liked the fan support as much as anything else. Would never get that here in Austin.

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      • Originally posted by Aargh View Post
        If it came to a court fight, I think Boatright could have taken Marshall down and Marshall could have taken Boatright down. Marshall was more willing to go down than Boatright. Marshall was ready to retire - Boatright wasn't. Boatright agreed to an incredibly bad exit contract in order to not have his name dragged through the mud in a bitter court fight.
        Rather Marshall vs WSU. Boatright knew but he was an agent for WSU, who would ultimately be soiled in court, with Boatright probably being one of many people to lose their jobs.

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        • Originally posted by Dan View Post

          Rather Marshall vs WSU. Boatright knew but he was an agent for WSU, who would ultimately be soiled in court, with Boatright probably being one of many people to lose their jobs.
          I can't imagine the settlement was Boatright's decision, though he may have had some input into the decision.

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          • For those who actually want to hear an actual lawyer take on the settlement, instead internet lawyers on shockerner, go looks at Lutz podcast on Thursday. One segment they had a lawyer explain why the agreement was reached and how it was good for both parties.

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            • The settlement was handled by the University legal department. While Darron may have had input he would not have the final say.

              We need to move on and quit nit picking this settlement. There was always going to be a Post Marshall era. It just happened quicker than we thought.

              Was he perfect? No. Was he a tough nosed coach? Yes. Did he cross the line? It appears he may have. It is now history and we need to look forward to supporting this team like we always have.

              For what Gregg did for this program and the University as a whole, pales in comparison to this settlement.

              Next Chapter. I can hardly wait to see how it turns out.

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              • Originally posted by SB Shock View Post
                For those who actually want to hear an actual lawyer take on the settlement, instead internet lawyers on shockerner, go looks at Lutz podcast on Thursday. One segment they had a lawyer explain why the agreement was reached and how it was good for both parties.
                No thanks. Not listening to that drivel and those two idiots. They are basically swingin from Goodman’s nuts in this whole thing trying to stay relevant.

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                • Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post

                  But not at all costs (at least IMHO).
                  A good number on this board casually besmirch the hell out of 3GS character by labeling him as an abuser and expending “all costs” to win. Two points: You know little to nothing about the inside of the top 150 basketball programs in the country;all of whom are probably looking at the treatment Gregg is getting and saying wow I better not raise my voice at these players and hurt their feelings or else I am a racist abuser. I bet their players are chuckling too.

                  Next, I assume Charlie Koch and all of us fans should shoulder a huge measure of guilt for putting so much pressure on Gregg to manage all of these ”child laborers” in his “sweat shop”. Take back all our joy and fun from all the winning and most of all pride in the program built by 3G which most of his critics are using to argue we can easily replace him. I guess all of 3G’s critics have looked themselves in the mirror. Audit your posts to make sure you didnt rip Shaq a new one after a performance or any other player so you, of course, weren’t part of the problem. I used to read so many posts that proudly touted how Gregg needed to push the motivational buttons on the nonperformers. I criticized players a lot but choose not to go holier than thou on Gregg. For those of you slamming Gregg make sure your hands are clean. Once hypocrisy knows no limits, none of what is said means anything.

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                  • Originally posted by MikeKennedyRulZ View Post

                    No thanks. Not listening to that drivel and those two idiots. They are basically swingin from Goodman’s nuts in this whole thing trying to stay relevant.
                    I listened to it - it was actually on Friday's show and not Thursday. First part was what a lot of people have said - better to settle vs drag things out in court and likely pay more, blah, blah, blah. I think the only people who don't get that are the ones that think Marshall shouldn't have received a dime. Was looking forward to him talking about the settlement agreement, but then he said he didn't even read it, so that was a waste. Ended with Lutz doing his usual complaining about how since WSU is a public university, they should release the investigation. Maybe next time he can get a lawyer on the show who has actually read the settlement agreement and can explain things to him.

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                    • Originally posted by MikeKennedyRulZ View Post

                      No thanks. Not listening to that drivel and those two idiots. They are basically swingin from Goodman’s nuts in this whole thing trying to stay relevant.
                      Actually, you would be listening to the lawyer for most of that show segment. You would hear the lawyer telling them they were wrong for their stance that WSU should have paid nothing and let Marshall take it to court. He gave his reason why it was a good settlement for WSU.

                      1. WSU doesn't have to prove their case in front of a jury in Wichita, Kansas (which may or may not be sympathetic)
                      2. WSU doesn't incur significant lawyer fees fighting it (he estimated in excess of $1 Million)
                      3. WSU doesn't get the PR hits over the next 2-3 years as it works through the courts.
                      4. WSU doesn't get their dirty laundry aired.
                      5. WSU doesn't have to make all the payments within 3 years, they get to defer it over 6 years
                      6. WSU didn't have to pay the full amount in the contract.

                      He said that the results of the investigation will likely get released due to Kansas records law at some point (it will take law suits probably by KWCH or some other media institution). They just won't be released today.

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                      • Originally posted by SB Shock View Post

                        Actually, you would be listening to the lawyer for most of that show segment. You would hear the lawyer telling them they were wrong for their stance that WSU should have paid nothing and let Marshall take it to court. He gave his reason why it was a good settlement for WSU.

                        1. WSU doesn't have to prove their case in front of a jury in Wichita, Kansas (which may or may not be sympathetic)
                        2. WSU doesn't incur significant lawyer fees fighting it (he estimated in excess of $1 Million)
                        3. WSU doesn't get the PR hits over the next 2-3 years as it works through the courts.
                        4. WSU doesn't get their dirty laundry aired.
                        5. WSU doesn't have to make all the payments within 3 years, they get to defer it over 6 years
                        6. WSU didn't have to pay the full amount in the contract.

                        He said that the results of the investigation will likely get released due to Kansas records law at some point (it will take law suits probably by KWCH or some other media institution). They just won't be released today.
                        I didn't really get his take on how it would free up 2.2 million for future salary. I get where he was coming from mathematically, but to assume the same money that was there to pay Marshall 3.5 million a year would be there for the future seemed like a bad assumption.

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                        • Originally posted by Ted Lasso's Neighbor View Post

                          I didn't really get his take on how it would free up 2.2 million for future salary. I get where he was coming from mathematically, but to assume the same money that was there to pay Marshall 3.5 million a year would be there for the future seemed like a bad assumption.
                          In addition to some donations drying up, there's the additional problem that $2.2 mill is likely the cap over the next 6 years. If a new coach can be brought in at maybe $1.2 - $1.5, then there's room for some increases if that coach has success. That success might restore some donations. Starting a coach above $1.5 might require some commitments from donors that may not exist today.
                          The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                          We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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                          • It's time to stop looking in the rear view mirror of life. What's ahead of us is seen through the windshield, not the rear view mirror.

                            If you keep looking in the rear view mirror, what you're going to see is the Peterbilt logo gaining ground on you and about to crush you.

                            No matter which side any individual poster was on, we seem to have pretty much agreed that everybody got screwed. There's no way to "unscrew" anybody or affect any public images. The only thing we can do is support the team we're going to be putting on the court in the asterisk season.
                            The future's so bright - I gotta wear shades.
                            We like to cut down nets and get sized for championship rings.

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                            • Originally posted by Aargh View Post
                              It's time to stop looking in the rear view mirror of life. What's ahead of us is seen through the windshield, not the rear view mirror.

                              If you keep looking in the rear view mirror, what you're going to see is the Peterbilt logo gaining ground on you and about to crush you.

                              No matter which side any individual poster was on, we seem to have pretty much agreed that everybody got screwed. There's no way to "unscrew" anybody or affect any public images. The only thing we can do is support the team we're going to be putting on the court in the asterisk season.
                              Yeah, this thread has run its course.
                              When you believe in something, the only person that's gotta believe it is you. Everything else is for the birds.- LeVelle Moton
                              Wichita is going to the rich side of town with a pack of matches and a five gallon tank of gasoline and try to burn everything to the ground

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                              • Originally posted by Shock Top View Post
                                Winning First ;)
                                From Coach Brown's first media presser:

                                … biggest difference between being an assistant coach and being the head coach:
                                "I think being an assistant coach, I was always being positive with guys when they came out of the game. Now it comes down to winning the game. I just want to make sure these guys know it's about winning. I want to love on them after the game, but in the heat of the moment, we've got to try to win and we've all got to stick together and be positive throughout the year."
                                https://goshockers.com/news/2020/11/...preseason.aspx

                                Sounds like Coach Brown agrees with this.

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