2020-21 Annual "Transfer" Guess-a-thon

[SHOXAAC]

Agree with what you posted except the bolded sections -

1. I am tired of Marshall as HC of the Shockers
2. I don't think he will eventually be a great coach; he is what he is IMO, a very successful mid-tier coach - especially in the Valley of Mediocrity

If Marshall was a great coach he might have avoided some or maybe all of the management issues I have with him. IMO moving to the AAC is illustrating Marshall's shortcomings as a coach. Again, IMO if Mick Cronin had not moved to UCLA; Cronin and Sampson would have owned Marshall for as long as the three of them coached in the AAC. Thus my reasoning for the Shockers being very unlikely to ever win the Conference and the Conference Tournament.

I get number 1 on my perceptions of what you are talking about. He frustrates me regarding behavior, situational game management, player management, assistant coaching management, etc... But I am not as convicted as you are about his time being up at WSU. Number 2 is interesting because of his stubbornness to make adjustments. I do believe he has what it takes. I do also believe he probably won't make said adjustments to the point it will take for him to be great.

[1972Shocker]

Those are good points, but I would pull GREAT down a notch to very good. His end-of-clock situations have been downright awful, and his timeout philosophy could use some situational tweaking. If he can improve in those areas then he could certainly become GREAT.

I agree with the "very good" nomenclature. There is no doubt that 3G understands what it takes to win college basketball games. His record is clear proof of that. But it is not proof that he is infallible or that he will be able to sustain his past successes in the AAC. You point out a couple of his weaknesses. I would add that he is not the best at recognizing when he needs to make adjustments and in implementing needed adjustments on the fly during games. When he had highly trusted and experienced assistants like Jans, Heiar and Forbes by his side the Shockers were better at that. Not sure he is the best X's and O's guy. I think there is some stubbornness on the part of 3G that may come into play here. That said 23-8 is a really good year on the faces of it. However, the 8-7 finish including a 3G career worst loss to Houston was a gut-wrenching stretch. Even the Shocks 15th win of the season against UConn was almost a disaster with the Shocks lucky to hang an to win that in double OT after trying to pull a UNI at the end of regulation. The final 15 games was totally hit or miss as to what we would see from this Shocker team. Obviously, the crabgrass had taken hold at about that time.

Perhaps one of 3G's best and worst traits is his competitiveness. He would probably not have had his success without it. But it can also be detriment at times if the competitive fire is misdirected. Perhaps what we are seeing now is partially due to some misdirected friendly fire. It's a lot easier for players to direct their competitive fire where needed than it is for a coach. Sometimes all that is left for him to aim at is his coaching staff, the players and perhaps even the fans on occasion. This, if it is an issue at all, will not be very easy for 3G to change. Mrs. 3G doesn't appear to be the type to try and soften his edges any. In fact, she seems to be more of strop than anything. He has been this way with great success for a long time. And maybe it shouldn't change.

That said I don't think 3G deserves anywhere close to all of the blame for the way the last half of the season played out. There seems to be plenty of contributors from both inside and on the perimeter of the program to share that blame.

Bottom line is 3G is one of the 2 best men's basketball coaches in Shocker history along with Ralph Miller and we have been very lucky to have him. Whether he is worth $3.5 million a year is another question but somebody apparently thinks he is (or at least thought he was). That and an auto-renewing 7-year contract is a huge vote of confidence by the money people. In any case, I don't see 3G as the kind of guy to walk away from a challenge and this is where the good side of the competitive sword comes into play.

That said this doesn't make 3G off limits for criticism when it is deserved nor does it mean he has all of the answers all of the time..

[SHOXAAC]

I agree with the "very good" nomenclature. There is no doubt that 3G understands what it takes to win college basketball games. His record is clear proof of that. But it is not proof that he is infallible or that he will be able to sustain his past successes in the AAC. You point out a couple of his weaknesses. I would add that he is not the best at recognizing when he needs to make adjustments and in implementing needed adjustments on the fly during games. When he had highly trusted and experienced assistants like Jans, Heiar and Forbes by his side the Shockers were better at that. Not sure he is the best X's and O's guy. I think there is some stubbornness on the part of 3G that may come into play here. That said 23-8 is a really good year on the faces of it. However, the 8-7 finish including a 3G career worst loss to Houston was a gut-wrenching stretch. Even the Shocks 15th win of the season against UConn was almost a disaster with the Shocks lucky to hang an to win that in double OT after trying to pull a UNI at the end of regulation. The final 15 games was totally hit or miss as to what we would see from this Shocker team. Obviously, the crabgrass had taken hold at about that time.

Perhaps one of 3G's best and worst traits is his competitiveness. He would probably not have had his success without it. But it can also be detriment at time if the competitive fire is misdirected. Perhaps what we are seeing now is partially due to some misdirected friendly fire. It's a lot easier for players to direct their competitive fire where needed than it is for a coach. Sometimes all that is left for him to aim at is his coaching staff, the players and perhaps even the fans on occasion. This, if it is an issue at all, will not be very easy for 3G to change. Mrs. 3G doesn't appear to be the type to try and soften his edges any. In fact, she seems to be more of strop than anything. He has been this way with great success for a long time. And maybe it shouldn't change.

That said I don't think 3G deserves anywhere close to all of the blame for the way the last half of the season played out. There seems to be plenty of contributors from both inside and on the perimeter of the program to share that blame.

Bottom line is #G is one of the 2 best men's basketball coaches in Shocker history along with Ralph Miller and we have been very lucky to have him. Whether he is worth $3.5 million a year is another question but somebody apparently thinks he is (or at least thought he was). That and an auto-renewing 7-year contract is a huge vote of confidence by the money people. In any case, I don't see 3G as the kind of guy to walk away from a challenge and this is where the good side of the competitive sword comes into play.

That said this doesn't make 3G off limits for criticism when it is deserved nor does it mean he has all of the answers all of the time..

Well said.

[bleednblackngold]

What do you guys want? Just curious. Thanks!

[WstateU]

What do you guys want? Just curious. Thanks!

Probably Jesus Christ? He could lead us to the promise land.

[Shock Top]

Make it clear. Gregg is the Colonel. The players are the Privates.

The Colonel's job is to make sure he gets his Privates primed and ready for war. To test them and push them past their limits and what they believe that could achieve. To give them the blueprint to succeed.

The Privates jobs are to do what is instructed of them. To do everything they can with maximum effort and to the best of their abilities. To sacrifice what my be best for them for the good of the squad.

If this happens, you'll win a lot of wars and a lot of games. Once there is a breakdown in the chain, that's when things can go badly.

[mjbaker84]

Dexter posted a broken heart on twitter and changed his background and main photos to a blank black screen...

[WstateU]

Dexter posted a broken heart on twitter and changed his background and main photos to a blank black screen...

and Jamie just liked? Hmmm?

[Shock Top]

Dexter posted a broken heart on twitter and changed his background and main photos to a blank black screen...

I hope ES didn't break our main man DD. I know they were very close.

Stay strong Dex!

[Shock Top]

Dexter posted a broken heart on twitter and changed his background and main photos to a blank black screen...

He's probably just sad because he knows they'd be whopping that Beatcat-a$$ right now, if not for the cancellations!!!

[SHOXAAC]

What do you guys want? Just curious. Thanks!

This is a fanboard bleedman. I am just looking for a nice conversation around things that concern Shocker basketball. I attempt to (not always successful) to engage in spirited, but healthy discussions around things I find interesting. I have no agenda with Marshall. I have stated many times, I am comfortable with Marshall as our coach. I believe there are kinks in his armor that hold him back from being great. I have made a clear case why (you don't have to agree). I totally respect your opinion by the way. I just don't hold that "In Marshall We Trust" slogan.

[1972Shocker]

Dexter posted a broken heart on twitter and changed his background and main photos to a blank black screen...

Hard to know what he is brokenhearted about. Could just as easily be about the black out of the season than anything due to the players leaving the program. Or maybe a little of both. Or maybe is is all about the players transferring. Who knows.

[WstateU]

Covid-19 and the subsequent cancellation of the basketball season has affected a lot of people mentally; seriously many people I know are in a funk. KU fans are in a ‘double funk’ and I understand. I’d probably be in more of a funk myself if it weren’t for all the action here. “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!”

[LoneStar48]

I agree with the "very good" nomenclature. There is no doubt that 3G understands what it takes to win college basketball games. His record is clear proof of that. But it is not proof that he is infallible or that he will be able to sustain his past successes in the AAC. You point out a couple of his weaknesses. I would add that he is not the best at recognizing when he needs to make adjustments and in implementing needed adjustments on the fly during games. When he had highly trusted and experienced assistants like Jans, Heiar and Forbes by his side the Shockers were better at that. Not sure he is the best X's and O's guy. I think there is some stubbornness on the part of 3G that may come into play here. That said 23-8 is a really good year on the faces of it. However, the 8-7 finish including a 3G career worst loss to Houston was a gut-wrenching stretch. Even the Shocks 15th win of the season against UConn was almost a disaster with the Shocks lucky to hang an to win that in double OT after trying to pull a UNI at the end of regulation. The final 15 games was totally hit or miss as to what we would see from this Shocker team. Obviously, the crabgrass had taken hold at about that time.

Perhaps one of 3G's best and worst traits is his competitiveness. He would probably not have had his success without it. But it can also be detriment at times if the competitive fire is misdirected. Perhaps what we are seeing now is partially due to some misdirected friendly fire. It's a lot easier for players to direct their competitive fire where needed than it is for a coach. Sometimes all that is left for him to aim at is his coaching staff, the players and perhaps even the fans on occasion. This, if it is an issue at all, will not be very easy for 3G to change. Mrs. 3G doesn't appear to be the type to try and soften his edges any. In fact, she seems to be more of strop than anything. He has been this way with great success for a long time. And maybe it shouldn't change.

That said I don't think 3G deserves anywhere close to all of the blame for the way the last half of the season played out. There seems to be plenty of contributors from both inside and on the perimeter of the program to share that blame.

Bottom line is 3G is one of the 2 best men's basketball coaches in Shocker history along with Ralph Miller and we have been very lucky to have him. Whether he is worth $3.5 million a year is another question but somebody apparently thinks he is (or at least thought he was). That and an auto-renewing 7-year contract is a huge vote of confidence by the money people. In any case, I don't see 3G as the kind of guy to walk away from a challenge and this is where the good side of the competitive sword comes into play.

That said this doesn't make 3G off limits for criticism when it is deserved nor does it mean he has all of the answers all of the time..

I'm quoting this because I don't think I've ever seen the word "strop" used on SN before. Good job, 1972!

[LoneStar48]

I have a feeling that Dex and Poor Bear both hit the portal next week.