American Athletic Conference

[MoValley John]

When Creighton left a few years back, the MVC held meetings during Arch Madness to discuss ways to preserve the league and prevent others from leaving. Does anyone know if during those mmetings, the Valley decided on any exit fees?

[Shocker1976]

When Creighton left a few years back, the MVC held meetings during Arch Madness to discuss ways to preserve the league and prevent others from leaving. Does anyone know if during those mmetings, the Valley decided on any exit fees?

From the MVC Constitution

1. 3.5 RESIGNATION FROM MEMBERSHIP
   A Conference member who wishes to resign its membership may do so upon proper notification and in accordance with its membership obligations.
   3.5.1 Procedure.
   When a member institution wishes to resign from the Conference, the following procedure is employed:
   1. 3.5.1.1 The CEO of the resigning institution must give written notice, via registered mail, to the Conference President and Conference Commissioner.
   2. 3.5.1.2 A minimum of 24 months’ notice of an institution’s intention to withdraw from the membership is required.
   3. 3.5.1.3 The Conference Commissioner shall notify the resigning institution and the Joint Committee and Presidents Council of the arrangements for termination.

3.5.2 Obligations of Resigning Member.
Effective the date of resignation, all membership rights including rights to Conference assets cease. However:



3.5.2.1Any monies, fines, penalties or assessments owed by a resigning memberinstitution are still considered a debt owed the Conference, and must be paid priorto the effective date of resignation.
3.5.2.2 Until the effective date of the resignation, the member institution assumes all the rights and obligations of other members and is expected to honor all scheduling commitments to member institutions, although existing athletics contracts may be voided by the surviving Conference party to the contract. (This regulation does not apply to any member institution that moves from Division I to another Division of the NCAA.)
3.5.3 Conference Obligations.
The Conference shall distribute funds to departing or withdrawing institutions as follows:

1. 3.5.3.1 With 24 or more months’ notice of intent to resign from the membership, the departing institution receives 100% of its distributions, per Conference formula(see Bylaw 6.11), for the remaining years prior to the resignation becoming effective. (6/15)
2. 3.5.3.2 With 12-23 months’ notice of intent to resign from the membership, the departing institution receives 50% of its distributions, per Conference formula (seeBylaw 6.11), for the remaining year(s) prior to the resignation becoming effective. (6/15)
3. 3.5.3.3 With less than 12 months’ notice of intent to resign from the membership, the departing institution receives no further distributions from the Conference.(6/15)
4. 3.5.3.4 Resigning institutions will not receive any share of Conference assets or reserve funds upon withdrawal from the membership.

[Aargh]

Kennedy on this morning sports show said what he as learned about the AAC is their commish would be open to adding WSU, but the schools don't have any interest of adding another team(s) unless somebody leaves the conference.

I'm not convinced. Kennedy was one of the people saying WSU should stay in the MVC, so he may have a dog in this hunt.

How would Kennedy have this info in the morning, before the meeting? He may have gotten some gossip of what was going to happen at the meeting, but why would Kennedy get the scoop on the rest of the sports journalism world? Would Boatright give Kennedy something like that? Or would Boatright tell Kennedy what was supposed to be said to the public?

Kennedy supposedly having the scoop on this raises a lot of questions.

[Shoxthemonkey]

No shortage of gamesmanship on this stuff.

AAC may very well "need" us too from a tv perspective - their contract is up for renewal/renegotiation, and their worth as a football conference has been confirmed to be something awfully close to jack **** (there is no way they will dramatically improve their fees for the fall). Some have speculated ESPN is behind these discussions from the get go as incentive to kepe/boost the AAC's value from the hoops side of the table. There is no way we are getting a portion of the football "side" of the TV contract (bifurcating the value is probably where the real difficulty lies) but we are the midas touch for the (albeit less valuable) hoops side of that document.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Posrep for bifurcating. I always wanted two at the same time.

I also think/hope MoJohn is right about the way this will play out.

[WheatShock]

From the MVC Constitution

1. 3.5 RESIGNATION FROM MEMBERSHIP
   A Conference member who wishes to resign its membership may do so upon proper notificationand in accordance with its membership obligations.
   3.5.1 Procedure.
   When a member institution wishes to resign from the Conference, the followingprocedure is employed:
   1. 3.5.1.1 The CEO of the resigning institution must give written notice, via registered mail,to the Conference President and Conference Commissioner.
   2. 3.5.1.2 A minimum of 24 months’ notice of an institution’s intention to withdraw fromthe membership is required.
   3. 3.5.1.3 The Conference Commissioner shall notify the resigning institution and the JointCommittee and Presidents Council of the arrangements for termination.

3.5.2 Obligations of Resigning Member.
Effective the date of resignation, all membership rights including rights to Conferenceassets cease. However:



3.5.2.1Any monies, fines, penalties or assessments owed by a resigning memberinstitution are still considered a debt owed the Conference, and must be paid priorto the effective date of resignation.
3.5.2.2 Until the effective date of the resignation, the member institution assumes all therights and obligations of other members and is expected to honor all schedulingcommitments to member institutions, although existing athletics contracts may bevoided by the surviving Conference party to the contract. (This regulation doesnot apply to any member institution that moves from Division I to anotherDivision of the NCAA.)
3.5.3 Conference Obligations.
The Conference shall distribute funds to departing or withdrawing institutions as follows:

1. 3.5.3.1 With 24 or more months’ notice of intent to resign from the membership, thedeparting institution receives 100% of its distributions, per Conference formula(see Bylaw 6.11), for the remaining years prior to the resignation becomingeffective. (6/15)
2. 3.5.3.2 With 12-23 months’ notice of intent to resign from the membership, the departinginstitution receives 50% of its distributions, per Conference formula (seeBylaw 6.11), for the remaining year(s) prior to the resignation becomingeffective. (6/15)
3. 3.5.3.3 With less than 12 months’ notice of intent to resign from the membership, thedeparting institution receives no further distributions from the Conference.(6/15)
4. 3.5.3.4 Resigning institutions will not receive any share of Conference assets or reservefunds upon withdrawal from the membership.

Great, so Elgin has 2 years to screw us over after we notify. I hope we decide to tell em to keep the money and get the heck out.

[Shocker1976]

Great, so Elgin has 2 years to screw us over after we notify. I hope we decide to tell em to keep the money and get the heck out.

IMO an inexpensive fee (surrender of funds WSU and UNI earned for the conference) to exit and join another conference within less than 12 months.

[MoValley John]

I also think/hope MoJohn is right about the way this will play out.

I have no insight, however, that is how it happened for both Nebraska and Creighton. Neither the Big 10, or the Big East asked either team to join. For the record, those requests were made by each school to the conference. It is amazing that both schools knew exactly how the conference would vote prior to submitting applications. In both above situations, just like the potential of Wichita State moving to the AAC, members of the press leaked the info.

Missouri State switched conferences a little differently. A few years back, they joined C-USA. That story was broken by Casey. He based it on some manila envelopes, logos on polos, secret meetings, black helicopters and tin foil.

[Cdizzle]

The conference rarely enforces its own rules. If it did, Hawkins would be playing his first game against WSU this weekend.

[WSUwatcher]

Interesting that the MVC rules "require" 24 months' notice to resign but then spell out in detail the economic consequences of providing less notice than that. How seriously is anyone supposed to take such rules?

[MoValley John]

Interesting that the MVC rules "require" 24 months' notice to resign but then spell out in detail the economic consequences of providing less notice than that. How seriously is anyone supposed to take such rules?

There just aren't any teeth. Nothing to keep a school in the conference. No punitive exit fees.

[ShockerEngr]

There just aren't any teeth. Nothing to keep a school in the conference. No punitive exit fees.

It's plenty punitive to most of the MVC schools. Just not for anyone looking to improve.

[rrshock]

Considering almost all of the money from NCAA credits is from WSU, and WSU doesn't get all of them, then who cares? We can leave and start getting NCAA money from the AAC in year one after a trip to the dance.

[Dave Stalwart]

I'm surprised the MVC didn't put in a clause that says "if you are the other 9 MVC schools, you would simply do some paperwork and pay a little cash to get out, but if you are WSU, you will pay the exit fees and also alimony and child support for the next 18 years until the conference is all grown up and able to make its own ends meet."

[SHOCKvalue]

I'm surprised the MVC didn't put in a clause that says "if you are the other 9 MVC schools, you would simply do some paperwork and pay a little cash to get out, but if you are WSU, you will pay the exit fees and also alimony and child support for the next 18 years until the conference is all grown up and able to make its own ends meet."

It'd only be fair.

[SB Shock]

Considering almost all of the money from NCAA credits is from WSU, and WSU doesn't get all of them, then who cares? We can leave and start getting NCAA money from the AAC in year one after a trip to the dance.

Maybe not. In the B12 expansion - I believe I heard last night those teams started getting their full share only this year. Of course maybe a partial share might be much greater than a full MVC share.