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[CBB_Fan]

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US#viewtop
The African American community needs to figure out why there is such a discrepancy in relation to actual population totals.

It isn't really rocket-science. Single-parent households (Drug War + Welfare), poverty, schools, employment, housing. White people on the same track have the same or worse crime problems: Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

These aren't issues that are easily solved at the community organizer level. If I wanted to make concrete steps, I'd start at home. A combination of the Nixon's War on Drugs and welfare policies starting with Johnson removed young black fathers from the general population and rewarded young black women for staying single and having children.

The steps to take are simple.

• Switch to a Portugal style approach to drugs
• Create a program to expedite paroles for those convicted of non-violent offenses (with no prior violent offenses and good behavior in prison)
• Establish a network of free/reduced price daycare services
• Restructure welfare (TANF, food stamps, section 8) and tax exemptions to more strongly push people towards a 2-parent family unit while they have children

The last is the most complicated and probably deserves a whole section on its own. But anyway, do the above and you'll start to fix some of these issues even if the benefits won't really be seen for a generation.

[WuDrWu]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...ne-intentional

Wow. He takes the blame and responsibility. Unreal. The one MAN that has served, he takes the blame. I heard his uniform sales skyrocketed overnight. I hope he gets every penny of those sales (I know he won't), but I'm guessing he'd give them away if he did.

A man, a hero, in the truest sense of the word....and HE takes the blame.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/912831248992755712

Lucky guess.

[WuShock16]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...31248992755712

Lucky guess.

That was a lucky guess...but why don't you do something really cool like predict a Final Four appearance? That would be really impressive. :bball_spin:

[SHOXJOCK]

When is the last time you saw a story on any national new outlet about black on black crime? https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...u.s.-2015/home 2015 Murder stats black victims in 2015. 2,664 killed by 229 white offenders, 2,380 black offenders, others/unknown 55. If BLM wants respect go into black neighborhoods protest at gang members houses and the local drug dealers homes. If they do that I will join them in protesting the next police officer shooting with my comply don't die BLM t-shirt on.

When was the last time you saw a story on any national news outlet about white on white crime? 83% of killed were killed by fellow white people, 2509 of 3005. White people commit 53% of gang related crimes, while also being responsible for the vast majority of property crimes, aggravated assaults, larceny-theft, vandalism, arson, etc. Is it their culture, their crime-laden TV shows and violence-glorifying music? Or is something genetically wrong with them that makes them more likely to kill children and the elderly?

The above is obviously sarcastic, but hopefully I got a point or two across. Most people of any race are mostly likely to be killed by someone of the same race, for obvious reasons (proximity and family). Most of the time when I see this type of statistical demonification, it is being used to justify uncalled-for fear and division. It blows small stats out of proportion to make them seem like national catastrophes; another way of writing 2664 black homicide victims is to say that 99.993% of black people are not victims each year. That .006% is what all this fuss about.

And for the record, the last time I saw a news story on black-on-black crime was 4 days ago.

your AP story on black on black crime was well done. The best line was "These children have become so unruly," he said. "... It starts in the home. If you disrespect your mother and your father, you go to school and you disrespect the teacher. But as soon as you hit them streets, you disrespect a man with a gun, he's gonna take you out." Good advice for kids of all colors. Your sarcastic comments on white on white crime is interesting. When the white lives matter movement start protesting in Refection Ridge. And stopping traffic and burning down the QT at 21 & Ridge Rd because a police officer shot a unarmed white criminal. I will be the first on shockernet to post. When was the last time you saw a story on any national news outlet about white on white crime? One last question how many of the 2664 black people that was killed in 2015 would have loved to see a police officer show up about 5 minute's befrore they were killed?

[ShockingButTrue]

your AP story on black on black crime was well done. The best line was "These children have become so unruly," he said. "... It starts in the home. If you disrespect your mother and your father, you go to school and you disrespect the teacher. But as soon as you hit them streets, you disrespect a man with a gun, he's gonna take you out." Good advice for kids of all colors. Your sarcastic comments on white on white crime is interesting. When the white lives matter movement start protesting in Refection Ridge. And stopping traffic and burning down the QT at 21 & Ridge Rd because a police officer shot a unarmed white criminal. I will be the first on shockernet to post. When was the last time you saw a story on any national news outlet about white on white crime? One last question how many of the 2664 black people that was killed in 2015 would have loved to see a police officer show up about 5 minute's befrore they were killed?

This line of Truth is NOT a part of the conversation. Most average middle Americans can readily see that, choose to remain quite (while being insulted), and let the ballot box do the talking.

[CBB_Fan]

your AP story on black on black crime was well done. The best line was "These children have become so unruly," he said. "... It starts in the home. If you disrespect your mother and your father, you go to school and you disrespect the teacher. But as soon as you hit them streets, you disrespect a man with a gun, he's gonna take you out." Good advice for kids of all colors. Your sarcastic comments on white on white crime is interesting. When the white lives matter movement start protesting in Refection Ridge. And stopping traffic and burning down the QT at 21 & Ridge Rd because a police officer shot a unarmed white criminal. I will be the first on shockernet to post. When was the last time you saw a story on any national news outlet about white on white crime? One last question how many of the 2664 black people that was killed in 2015 would have loved to see a police officer show up about 5 minute's befrore they were killed?

I pretty certain you are using "White Lives Matter" as a hypothetical, but that is a real group believed to be led by one Rebecca Barnette. Barnette is also a leader of the skinhead group Aryan Strikeforce and the National Socialist Movement (the largest Neo-Nazi organization). A third Barnette affiliated group, the Aryan Renaissance Society, claims to be the leading force behind the WLM movement.

Aryan Strikeforce was indicted in May 2017 of conspiring to transport methamphetamine, money laundering drug proceeds, transfer of unregistered machine gun parts, possession of firearms by convicted felons, and the illegal transfer of firearms to convicted felons. This is in addition to the normal hate crimes.

The NSM call for denying citizenship to Jews, non-Whites, and homosexuals. Again, you have a laundry list of hate crimes and a constant effort to recruit people to "the cause" by finding new ways to frame white supremacy. For example, they produced a bunch of white power music CDs to sell to school kids.

The primary vehicle for this recruitment in the modern day is the internet, on message boards like these. The reason I brought up the "white crime" sarcasm was to highlight how absurd it sounded. Why did it sound absurd? Because no one is pushing that agenda, and we can instantly recognize it when it does happen. It isn't so easy when we shift towards black crime.

These types of organizations, including your hypothetical-but-very-real "White Lives Matter" movement, are pushing a false agenda and people should learn to recognize that agenda even in second, third, fourth-hand form.

That is all.

[RoyalShock]

I have the article. I do think there are some valid points but there are also issues with the piece. He approaches the data only cherry picking out things that support his argument ignoring very large sections of his sources as a whole. It kind of of just hand waves away the fact that violent force is used more often with minorities with some whataboutism regarding lower rates with women. It also doesn't dig into the actual data he cited about excessive-nonfatal force which was much higher for minorities. I also really disagree with any argument that compares completely unrelated things that have no relevance, such as comparing to the death-rate related to lightning strikes. It's irrelevant. The premise of the entire protest isn't genuinely that people are just being mowed down all the time(despite some idiots within the protest acting like that's what's going on), it's that there is non equal treatment. It seems the case that fatalities are no more prevalent when you account for encounters and jump through all these hoops to try to "normalize" the data. But that really fails to acknowledge a lot of very obvious and apparent issues with law enforcement from that very data set.

The data said that blacks (or minorities, can't recall which) are three times more likely to commit violent crime, which I believe addresses the bolded issue I quoted.

[ShockCrazy]

The data said that blacks (or minorities, can't recall which) are three times more likely to commit violent crime, which I believe addresses the bolded issue I quoted.

They suggest that, and maybe it's in the data set, but I find it interesting no one cared to share the actual numbers. I don't really have the time or desire to go through the 1-2 gig dataset files for the NCVS data set to find out if it's an accurate summary.

[ShockTalk]

They suggest that, and maybe it's in the data set, but I find it interesting no one cared to share the actual numbers. I don't really have the time or desire to go through the 1-2 gig dataset files for the NCVS data set to find out if it's an accurate summary.

So both sides of the issue are at fault? Those that believe or use those stats as well as those who don't want to really know the stats? Disproving those stats are way off base would go along way for your positions.

[SHOXJOCK]

@CBB_Fan: You clearly didn't get what I was trying to do with my WLM post and that's ok. And I didn't know that it's a real movement. I have said multiple times on this forum that I denounced both white & black racist comments, people, and groups. Why is it that people on your side of this debate can never say the same thing? Until we as a nation can have a honest debate about this issue.It will never get solved. As a wise man once said the longer you go down the wrong road the longer it takes to get to where you want to be.

[shockfan89_]

I also really disagree with any argument that compares completely unrelated things that have no relevance, such as comparing to the death-rate related to lightning strikes. It's irrelevant. The premise of the entire protest isn't genuinely that people are just being mowed down all the time(despite some idiots within the protest acting like that's what's going on).

Except that is exactly what Kaepernick used in his initial statement for why he did not stand for the national anthem. "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

[wufan]

It isn't really rocket-science. Single-parent households (Drug War + Welfare), poverty, schools, employment, housing. White people on the same track have the same or worse crime problems: Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

These aren't issues that are easily solved at the community organizer level. If I wanted to make concrete steps, I'd start at home. A combination of the Nixon's War on Drugs and welfare policies starting with Johnson removed young black fathers from the general population and rewarded young black women for staying single and having children.

The steps to take are simple.

• Switch to a Portugal style approach to drugs
• Create a program to expedite paroles for those convicted of non-violent offenses (with no prior violent offenses and good behavior in prison)
• Establish a network of free/reduced price daycare services
• Restructure welfare (TANF, food stamps, section 8) and tax exemptions to more strongly push people towards a 2-parent family unit while they have children

The last is the most complicated and probably deserves a whole section on its own. But anyway, do the above and you'll start to fix some of these issues even if the benefits won't really be seen for a generation.

I don't know what the Portugal system is, but otherwise reasonable.

[wufan]

I have the article. I do think there are some valid points but there are also issues with the piece. He approaches the data only cherry picking out things that support his argument ignoring very large sections of his sources as a whole. It kind of of just hand waves away the fact that violent force is used more often with minorities with some whataboutism regarding lower rates with women. It also doesn't dig into the actual data he cited about excessive-nonfatal force which was much higher for minorities. I also really disagree with any argument that compares completely unrelated things that have no relevance, such as comparing to the death-rate related to lightning strikes. It's irrelevant. The premise of the entire protest isn't genuinely that people are just being mowed down all the time(despite some idiots within the protest acting like that's what's going on), it's that there is non equal treatment. It seems the case that fatalities are no more prevalent when you account for encounters and jump through all these hoops to try to "normalize" the data. But that really fails to acknowledge a lot of very obvious and apparent issues with law enforcement from that very data set.

For specific instances of unjustified excessive force, I'm with you! Point them out and let's go after those cops. If there is data to show that black people are victims of needless excessive force, point out the statistics that demonstrate that and I will be on your side!

[ShockCrazy]

Except that is exactly what Kaepernick used in his initial statement for why he did not stand for the national anthem. "There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

I fail to see an outlandish claim of scale. You could say that perhaps he was indicating it was large scale with bodies maybe?

[ShockCrazy]

For specific instances of unjustified excessive force, I'm with you! Point them out and let's go after those cops. If there is data to show that black people are victims of needless excessive force, point out the statistics that demonstrate that and I will be on your side!

It's in the data sets supporting that article.