Jeb Bush or Donald Trump?

[MoValley John]

Obama just had at least +20,000,000 social security numbers, finger prints, personal info stolen from OPMS.

Nope. Bush's fault.

[Dave Stalwart]

Nope. Bush's fault.

Beat me to it

[Kung Wu]

Obama just had at least +20,000,000 social security numbers, finger prints, personal info stolen from OPMS.

Not possible. He signed an executive order to prevent that.

[shocka khan]

Not possible. He signed an executive order to prevent that.

And if you can blame Obama, I can blame Trump.

What was all that junk again about Trump again? That he's an executive, but we can't blame him because of his employees actions? That Trump wasn't incompetent because he was hacked? But Obama can be incompetent because he was?

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh this morning.

[Play Angry]

And if you can blame Obama, I can blame Trump.

What was all that junk again about Trump again? That he's an executive, but we can't blame him because of his employees actions? That Trump wasn't incompetent because he was hacked? But Obama can be incompetent because he was?

ROFLMAO! Thanks for the laugh this morning.

Eh, you threw the first stone that a hack evidences negligence and incompetence. Hiding behind others' response to that statement is less effective than an admission that the initial thrust may have missed the mark.

[Dave Stalwart]

I don't think the point here is that Obama is incompetent because he got hacked, too. Obama didn't get hacked. It's a joke. Obama knows nothing about computers. Trump probably doesn't either. I think the point here is that if you are a president or a candidate, whether or not you get hacked isn't that much of an indicator of...well anything. Whether or not you represent the majority of what Americans think is the important thing. In fact, getting hacked every now and then probably just makes you a little more like the average American. It's happened to me a couple times. I guess that means I don't know how to play music anymore or cook food or work at my job then?

Now, if you are the CEO of Norton Antivirus or of Paypal or of a bank...or better yet of LifeLock and you get hacked, then yes you should be judged accordingly.

[shocka khan]

Eh, you threw the first stone that a hack evidences negligence and incompetence. Hiding behind others' response to that statement is less effective than an admission that the initial thrust may have missed the mark.

Who yanked your chain?

You're assuming that I was wrong in making my first statement. So what do you know about this subject?

I don't think my initial statement missed any mark. Only time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. Unfortunately, we will have to live state-sponsored hacking unless or until we wake up and start protecting our national infrastructure. Right now what I look like to you is the old hippie in Mad magazine, carrying the 'Prepare to meet your doom' sign around. You might find out that I'm more right than you care to believe.

Until boards of directors (and cabinets) start being held responsible executives will not be held responsible. Neither Trump or Obama. Trump's case is worse, though, and reflects on what he would do if elected president. In my opinion, most presidents look for someone who is qualified and who they can work with. With Trump, its more like who they can work with (butt kissers) followed by whether they are qualified or not.

[shocka khan]

I don't think the point here is that Obama is incompetent because he got hacked, too. Obama didn't get hacked. It's a joke. Obama knows nothing about computers. Trump probably doesn't either. I think the point here is that if you are a president or a candidate, whether or not you get hacked isn't that much of an indicator of...well anything. Whether or not you represent the majority of what Americans think is the important thing. In fact, getting hacked every now and then probably just makes you a little more like the average American. It's happened to me a couple times. I guess that means I don't know how to play music anymore or cook food or work at my job then?

Now, if you are the CEO of Norton Antivirus or of Paypal or of a bank...or better yet of LifeLock and you get hacked, then yes you should be judged accordingly.

And I totally agree with the part of your statement saying that Kung Wu was joking. I think it's a joke, too. I just couldn't resist tweaking Kung's nose this morning.

As far as the rest of your statement goes, how much time do we have to give executives to get up to speed on this issue? And how long do the BoD's have? After the last year and a half, you'd think these people would have been situationally aware that this is a risk that needs to be dealt with. Most of us who work in the trenches get a year to learn our job. These are seasoned, experienced executives. They shouldn't be allowed any more time than the rest of us to get up to speed on these issues. I spend a great deal of my time out of work doing research. They should be doing their research, too. In all areas.

Time for these people to spend a little money, thought and research into protecting their information assets. State-sponsored hacking will only be reduced (it will never go away) when we adequately secure corporate and government networks.

[Play Angry]

Who yanked your chain?

You're assuming that I was wrong in making my first statement. So what do you know about this subject?

I don't think my initial statement missed any mark. Only time will tell whether I'm right or wrong. Unfortunately, we will have to live state-sponsored hacking unless or until we wake up and start protecting our national infrastructure. Right now what I look like to you is the old hippie in Mad magazine, carrying the 'Prepare to meet your doom' sign around. You might find out that I'm more right than you care to believe.

Until boards of directors (and cabinets) start being held responsible executives will not be held responsible. Neither Trump or Obama. Trump's case is worse, though, and reflects on what he would do if elected president. In my opinion, most presidents look for someone who is qualified and who they can work with. With Trump, its more like who they can work with (butt kissers) followed by whether they are qualified or not.

Nobody yanked my chain. You asserted that a hack is de facto evidence of incompetence, then used President Obama's preventative measures (despite having zero knowledge of what preventative measures Trump's organization has in place) as proof of best practice. But then "Obama" was promptly hacked, because he oversees the organization that was compromised.

The basis for your argument didn't just get the rug pulled out from under it. It then fell down, rolled over, and had its nuts stomped 527 times, rendering it fully neutered to the point it is now unrecognizable.

Literally nobody is saying hacking isn't something to be taken seriously, so let's put away the "aw shucks, I guess I'm the only one who thinks corporate and government leaders should take this seriously" card.

[ShockdaWorld]

It then fell down, rolled over, and had its nuts stomped 527 times, rendering it fully neutered to the point it is now unrecognizable.

Um...Ouch

[shocka khan]

Nobody yanked my chain. You asserted that a hack is de facto evidence of incompetence, then used President Obama's preventative measures (despite having zero knowledge of what preventative measures Trump's organization has in place) as proof of best practice. But then "Obama" was promptly hacked, because he oversees the organization that was compromised.

The basis for your argument didn't just get the rug pulled out from under it. It then fell down, rolled over, and had its nuts stomped 527 times, rendering it fully neutered to the point it is now unrecognizable.

Literally nobody is saying hacking isn't something to be taken seriously, so let's put away the "aw shucks, I guess I'm the only one who thinks corporate and government leaders should take this seriously" card.

Damn, did someone pee in your Wheaties today? Lighten up.

[shocka khan]

Um...Ouch

Naw, it's exaggerated fiction. It can't hurt unless it's real. He's from Dallas, he must have spent some of his formative years with Billy Sol Estes or something.

[ShockdaWorld]

Naw, it's exaggerated fiction. It can't hurt unless it's real. He's from Dallas, he must have spent some of his formative years with Billy Sol Estes or something.

Uh yah, I realize it was fiction and that it was exaggerated. Still, just the thought of "had it's nuts stomped 527 times" sounds painful to me.

[Dave Stalwart]

...the rug pulled out from under it. It then fell down, rolled over, and had its nuts stomped 527 times, rendering it fully neutered to the point it is now unrecognizable.

I don't know if I've ever heard a more accurate description of what happened to the KU team in the last 10 minutes of our NCAA tournament game.

[MoValley John]

Let's try this again and see if we can get Different results.





Bush's fault.