Russia-Ukraine War

[wichshock65]

https://shockernet.net/forum/miscellaneous/politics-guns-and-beer/1322353-russia-ukraine-war?p=1336861#post1336861

Thanks, KW.

So, if we had the chance to stop Hitler today, should we?

Not advocating for or against, just tossing out thoughts going threw my pea sized brain.

[wufan]

Courious. I know there are history buffs on here. I'm not one.

Are there any parallels the Germany and WW2 to what's happening now with Putin? Other than having nukes, that is.

It's hard, as a father, to watch what is happening to kids and families in Ukraine. We are so damn lucky to be living in the good old USA.

You’d have more parallels to the wars of the Russian Tsars. It was pretty common for them to expand this way and that to capture border countries.

[Kung Wu]

Courious. I know there are history buffs on here. I'm not one.

Are there any parallels the Germany and WW2 to what's happening now with Putin? Other than having nukes, that is.

It's hard, as a father, to watch what is happening to kids and families in Ukraine. We are so damn lucky to be living in the good old USA.

https://shockernet.net/forum/miscellaneous/politics-guns-and-beer/1322353-russia-ukraine-war?p=1336861#post1336861

[wichshock65]

Courious. I know there are history buffs on here. I'm not one.

Are there any parallels the Germany and WW2 to what's happening now with Putin? Other than having nukes, that is.

It's hard, as a father, to watch what is happening to kids and families in Ukraine. We are so damn lucky to be living in the good old USA.

[pinstripers]

We have also had multiple attacks…Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Jan 6, etc.

speech................less

[wufan]

True. It's been 150 years since we had open warfare on our soil. Here's to another 150.

225 since a foreign power landed in England, though they got bombed to hell.

We have also had multiple attacks…Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Jan 6, etc.

[BOBB]

All the US citizens that are America haters have no effing clue how good they have it.

True. It's been 150 years since we had open warfare on our soil. Here's to another 150.

225 since a foreign power landed in England, though they got bombed to hell.

[pinstripers]

If I have learned one thing from Ukraine, Syria, Lebanon, Germany, et al, it is that the best time to get anybody in your family who doesn't plan to stand and fight in a SHTF scenario is yesterday. Second best time is today. Subscribing to magical thinking about maintaining your old life and lifestyle is not a plan.

Sh!t hits the fan?

[Kung Wu]

If I have learned one thing from Ukraine, Syria, Lebanon, Germany, et al, it is that the best time to get anybody in your family who doesn't plan to stand and fight in a SHTF scenario is yesterday. Second best time is today. Subscribing to magical thinking about maintaining your old life and lifestyle is not a plan.

All the US citizens that are America haters have no effing clue how good they have it.

[BOBB]

If I have learned one thing from Ukraine, Syria, Lebanon, Germany, et al, it is that the best time to get anybody in your family who doesn't plan to stand and fight in a SHTF scenario is yesterday. Second best time is today. Subscribing to magical thinking about maintaining your old life and lifestyle is not a plan.

[BOBB]

To what end?

Elafino.

[wufan]

Man, not sure I can go along with your position on #2. Destroying nuclear facilities and contaminating a large area of Europe is fair game?

I’m not saying it’s good, in fact, I’m saying it’s bad, but I don’t believe that it is akin to firing nukes into Ukraine.

Nagasaki had a population of ~ 200k. 40k died and 25k were injured in the blast. That was a tiny bomb over a small city.

Contrast that to Chernobyl, where, of the 800k that worked on containment, only 31 died trying to put out the fire. There were numerous health concerns for those that did not die, but they were statistically insignificant to the unexposed control group.

Nukes and nuclear melt downs are NOT the same.

[C0|dB|00ded]

I still believe this is a game of brinksmanship with Pootin'. A very stupid game. He has SO much more firepower. If he does go all through the country there are estimates that resistance fighting could last for many years... why on earth would he want to get involved in another Afghanistan? Every day that goes by isn't making him look stronger, just crazier.

[wichshock65]

For number 1; no, I don’t consider that getting involved and support that effort.

For number 2; also no. Destroying a power plant, even at the risk of causing radiation poisoning, sounds much worse than it is, and is “fair game” in war. Targeting civilians is the same. I don’t support either of these and they are both escalations, but war is hell.

And of course, I do agree with #3.

Man, not sure I can go along with your position on #2. Destroying nuclear facilities and contaminating a large area of Europe is fair game?

[C0|dB|00ded]

I'm encouraged - maybe even a bit proud - with the cooperation and solidarity of the free world. No bullshit tweeting or chest beating. Just calmly and consistently tightening the noose. America is as she should be: calm and ready... Russia knows exactly what's on the other side of the red, white, and blue door if it chooses to open it.