Any Trump fans getting tired...

[pinstripers]

I prefer that the cops have better and more powerful weapons than the felons

[C0|dB|00ded]

Is it just me or does Cold have a little shiny anecdote for every situation? Seems suspicious to me. Kind of like we all know hardly anyone with Covid, yet there are a slew of "celebrities" who have had it and can lecture us about it. Makes you go hmmmmm....

I'm likely one of the most honest people you know. Open your eyes brother.

[Shockm]

I'm likely one of the most honest people you know. Open your eyes brother.

What a Tool?

[WstateU]

Once in awhile a Democrat posts something pretty funny... many of them seem to lack a sense of humor...

[wufan]

Is it just me or does Cold have a little shiny anecdote for every situation? Seems suspicious to me. Kind of like we all know hardly anyone with Covid, yet there are a slew of "celebrities" who have had it and can lecture us about it. Makes you go hmmmmm....

I know 10 that have had it.

[pinstripers]

I know 10 that have had it.

me too, prolly more

[wufan]

I am not a fan of the "sainting" of these victims of police shootings. It obscures the point. This guy might be a giant POS and his getting shot may be cosmic justice. Cosmic justice is not the law of the land. I'm not aware of the state of Wisconsin jurisprudence, but I doubt resisting arrest carries a penalty of instant firing squad. This is the issue. Cops need to neutralize immediate existential threats and all others need to be hauled in. Was there a gun visible to the officer in this guy's reach? We shall see.

I used to think UK having few officers with guns was nonsense. I'm coming around to it.

I like this. I think that along with this, there needs to be a zero tolerance for disrespecting police. If you’re caught on body cam spitting, insulting, or back talking police, you get a fine in the mail. Resisting arrest needs to be instant jail time.

This is a potential freedom of speech issue, but I’d be willing to sacrifice it for safety at this point. People can’t be resisting arrest and expecting the cops to just give up.

[WholeWheat]

If we want to talk about re-education of the police, I also think there should be an advertisement campaign focusing on the re-education of how to conduct one’s self when approached by law enforcement. I actually like Cold’s slogan: Comply. Don’t die. There needs to be a reminder that doing exactly what an officer tells you to do dramatically decreases your chances of being killed by the officer by about 100%. I don’t recall a case out there where an innocent bystander or somebody following police instructions was killed or shot at by the engaging officers. The problem is there is a mindset out there that some people think they’re above the law, or can do “whatever the **** they want”. That’s when innocent instances go awry. The campaign should also throw in the token “STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE” as a great way to avoid the presence of law enforcement altogether. I mean do people think these officers are going up to innocent black people and killing them because they’re black? I have more respect for the ANTIFA dbags when pressing this issue because at least they think police are killing everybody equally. The BLM movement is even more garbage because they think officers are literally killing people just because they’re black, which of course is the biggest farce running, that continues to be given steam by the mainstream “media”.

Please consider looking at this from another's perspective. Googling Philando Castile gives me pause on comments like the above. I can't image what must go through someone's mind in Castile's situation. I get nervous enough if I'm just caught speeding.

Being open to listening could help all of us - myself included. I found the following very eye-opening:

[ShockTalk]

I like this. I think that along with this, there needs to be a zero tolerance for disrespecting police. If you’re caught on body cam spitting, insulting, or back talking police, you get a fine in the mail. Resisting arrest needs to be instant jail time.

This is a potential freedom of speech issue, but I’d be willing to sacrifice it for safety at this point. People can’t be resisting arrest and expecting the cops to just give up.

I don't disagree with this, but do you think it should go both ways? In other words, any police interaction with a citizen should also be reviewed. If a problem is seen on the cop's behavior, they are warned. Multiple problems required "training" and some admin duties. So on and so forth or worse, they're fired. I believe a small handful (I hope no more) of cops are getting over protected by their union. These are the one's that give the rest a bad name. Possibly, some cops may come from backgrounds where they are told to go do something (military for example). They do not have to have the personal interaction skills (or care to use them) that require the same interaction they will encounter with the general public. Rather than being able to keep a situation calm or even defuse a situation, they add fuel to it.

I do not understand how it appears that much of the media believes our society can successfully be one of laws meant to protect everyone, while those with the responsibility upholding these laws are looked at as the bad guys. Anyone who is disrespecting the police is where the problem starts. The greater the disrespect or noncompliance the worse the situation. I do believe that there is a measure of responsibility, however, on the police to have the skills to try and make a situation have the least bad outcome.

[BOBB]

I don't disagree with this, but do you think it should go both ways? In other words, any police interaction with a citizen should also be reviewed. If a problem is seen on the cop's behavior, they are warned. Multiple problems required "training" and some admin duties. So on and so forth or worse, they're fired. I believe a small handful (I hope no more) of cops are getting over protected by their union. These are the one's that give the rest a bad name. Possibly, some cops may come from backgrounds where they are told to go do something (military for example). They do not have to have the personal interaction skills (or care to use them) that require the same interaction they will encounter with the general public. Rather than being able to keep a situation calm or even defuse a situation, they add fuel to it.

I do not understand how it appears that much of the media believes our society can successfully be one of laws meant to protect everyone, while those with the responsibility upholding these laws are looked at as the bad guys. Anyone who is disrespecting the police is where the problem starts. The greater the disrespect or noncompliance the worse the situation. I do believe that there is a measure of responsibility, however, on the police to have the skills to try and make a situation have the least bad outcome.

Respect should be given both ways for sure. I will say that most of the guys I knew that became cops were dicks before they were cops. They were attracted to the power. The guys I knew that were cool were cool cops. So there are some structural elements, but definitely some issues with the candidate pool too. Plenty of dicks in the perp pool obviously.

[WuDrWu]

Respect should be given both ways for sure. I will say that most of the guys I knew that became cops were dicks before they were cops. They were attracted to the power. The guys I knew that were cool were cool cops. So there are some structural elements, but definitely some issues with the candidate pool too. Plenty of dicks in the perp pool obviously.

Excellent point. I've certainly dealt with many arrogant power greedy folks, both police and perps. To be honest, I don't know how a police officer doesn't become jaded and angry etc with what they have to deal with each and every shift.

Maybe one of the things we need to look at is rotating these front line men and women off the beat far more often than today.

[ShockerFever]

Please consider looking at this from another's perspective. Googling Philando Castile gives me pause on comments like the above. I can't image what must go through someone's mind in Castile's situation. I get nervous enough if I'm just caught speeding.

Being open to listening could help all of us - myself included. I found the following very eye-opening:

What perspective? I'm not saying all cops are good but I'm also saying not all cops are bad either. Mistakes happen and also bad, malicious things happen too. If a bad, malicious, criminal thing happens, the person should be punished to the fullest extent of the law - that include police officers. But that certainly isn't the majority of situations. It isn't even remotely average. It's extremely rare. And we don't even know what happened in Wisconsin other than a man being shot. Why did he get shot? Was it justified? What were the circumstances? We don't know. But when people just assume everything before any evidence being presented, that's what pisses me off. It goes both ways. Wait until we know the FACTS. And even then, how does that give anybody the right to destroy a city or a neighborhood full of people that had nothing to do with it? And why do all police officers become bad? The person responsible should and will get their justice served if turns out to be something of criminal behavior. I have a hard time believing in this day and age that a police officer is just gonna shoot a guy for no reason. And once again, it goes back to listening. If Blake is listening to what is being told of him, which clearly he is defying, none of this happens. That's what everyone defending the guy keeps ignoring.

I'm open to listening to everything. I don't know what it's like to be black so I can't speak for how anyone in that situation feels. If someone is truly being subjected to different treatment solely for the color of their skin, then I think **** should be taken care of - whether that's prosecution, firing, whatever, etc. But just because a white officer shoots at a black man, doesn't mean it's racist. That's what the media and certain segments of the left want you to believe but you truly don't know the actual mindset of the individual.

But again, assuming FULL body camera footage is released, everybody will know exactly what happened and why guns were discharged. I find it hard to believe a group of officers opened fire for no reason other than the guy being black, Come on. And no matter the result, it doesn't excuse any lawlessness or rioting as a result. That does NOTHING to justify or help the situation. It actually only hurts it.

[ShockingButTrue]

Respect should be given both ways for sure. I will say that most of the guys I knew that became cops were dicks before they were cops. They were attracted to the power. The guys I knew that were cool were cool cops. So there are some structural elements, but definitely some issues with the candidate pool too. Plenty of dicks in the perp pool obviously.

What a leap.

Who hasn't? Structural elements? What's your point? Cops are hunting black people?

In the 30-40 (at least) times I've been pulled over I encountered the same, and I didn't attempt to resist a one of 'em, because I was brought up to know that if you resist something bad could happen due to an officer feeling threatened. You weren't brought up that way?

[ShockingButTrue]

I like this. I think that along with this, there needs to be a zero tolerance for disrespecting police. If you’re caught on body cam spitting, insulting, or back talking police, you get a fine in the mail. Resisting arrest needs to be instant jail time.

This is a potential freedom of speech issue, but I’d be willing to sacrifice it for safety at this point. People can’t be resisting arrest and expecting the cops to just give up.

Like what? Cops with no guns?

Fine people for insulting you? C'mon man, this is a serious and weighty discussion!

[wufan]

Please consider looking at this from another's perspective. Googling Philando Castile gives me pause on comments like the above. I can't image what must go through someone's mind in Castile's situation. I get nervous enough if I'm just caught speeding.

Being open to listening could help all of us - myself included. I found the following very eye-opening:

Yes, there are instances of bad shootings. In the article posted, Bradford was a black male in a mall where another black male had just shot two people. He responded to the scene with his gun drawn and when the cops got to the scene of the active shooter, Bradford was mistakenly shot. This happens. It’s sad and tragic, and something every fun iwner should consider.

The third incident was the guy that was shot when a female police officer thought he was in her apartment. She went to jail for murder. Bad shoot! That dude wasn’t even stopped by police. Some lady just opened his door and shot him.

The second incident was when a 17 year old did a drive by shooting and jumped out of the car while police were attempting to arrest the driver. Yeah, you’re probably gonna get shot when you do that.